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    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 10th Jul 17, 7:19 PM
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    Oldie- faq no help
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    • 10th Jul 17, 7:19 PM
    Oldie- faq no help 10th Jul 17 at 7:19 PM
    Good work on here to everyone before I start.
    I have had past success but feel a bit stuck with this one
    Entrapped as manual operator was also parked on there.
    No entrance signs or clear boundaries
    Windscreen notice issued with a link to myparkingcharg
    Appealed as keeper
    BUT- their email was intercepted and i missed the IAS deadline
    Have used the appeals process again

    Anything else to do? Predictions? What's likely to happen next?
    Cheers everyone
    Last edited by whiskeytoothpaste; 10-07-2017 at 9:19 PM. Reason: Anonymity
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    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 25th Nov 17, 5:35 PM
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    Interesting
    There are cases here where signs forbidding any parking whatsoever are actually trespass dressed up as contractual.
    That's what I have. Is it worth going down that route- obviously on the presupposition that I was not driving but even if I was...
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 25th Nov 17, 5:51 PM
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    Yes- the cases where no parking is permitted. Where this occurs is trespass dressed up as contractual. Worth pursuing?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 25th Nov 17, 6:02 PM
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    Yes- the cases where no parking is permitted. Where this occurs is trespass dressed up as contractual. Worth pursuing?
    Originally posted by whiskeytoothpaste
    If the signs are forbidding then of course itís worth pursuing. You will need to be able to argue it so need to understand the issues.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 29th Nov 17, 9:46 PM
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    BW legal regularly calling and leaving voicemails 2-3 times per week- despite the fact that I am engaged in written communication with them.
    Tempted to call them to request that they stop this as it is just harassing me.
    Advice?
    • logician
    • By logician 29th Nov 17, 10:04 PM
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    BW legal regularly calling and leaving voicemails 2-3 times per week- despite the fact that I am engaged in written communication with them.
    Tempted to call them to request that they stop this as it is just harassing me.
    Advice?
    Originally posted by whiskeytoothpaste

    Write to them and request that they MUST cease and desist IN telephoning you and all correspondence must be in writing, and should they continue to telephone you then a formal complaint will be made to the SRA.


    Point out that you require any such correspondence to be in a WRITTEN format due to the stage this is at.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 30th Nov 17, 10:25 AM
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    If this is to your mobile, save their number as a contact and then block it.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 30th Nov 17, 12:56 PM
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    Done that but
    Did this a while back. Now they call from different numbers and sometimes I just get voicemail without a Ďmissed callí or number registering. I donít know which type of technological sorcery they are using for this.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 30th Nov 17, 12:59 PM
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    Complain to your line provider and report them as nuisance callers. Ofcom can deliver a nasty fine!
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 30th Nov 17, 1:11 PM
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    https://www.rocketlawyer.co.uk/documents-and-forms/cease-and-desist-letter.rlm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYnz2a_m1wIVsDLTCh0f9 g4yEAAYASAAEgIl2vD_BwE
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 4th Jan 18, 7:57 PM
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    New letter from BW
    Last edited by whiskeytoothpaste; 04-01-2018 at 8:21 PM. Reason: Crap IT skills
    Chin up.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 4th Jan 18, 8:19 PM
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    Update. Responded to Letter of Action. Requesting full explanation- trespass or contractual; calibration info; landowner contract; advertising consent; full cost breakdown and dismissing EvL and CPS v AJF as irrelevant.
    I've now recieved a bunch of photos. Some taken years ago and in a completely different area of town (this 'car park' where no parking is allowed must be extensive and span 2 or 3 streets. And a map stating there are 17 signs- there were only 4 on the bit of land in question (the driver reported that these were obscured by other vehicles which mysteriously vanished by the time they returned)
    Also a letter which does not mention trespass or contract, refers merely to the 'contravention' of parking in a restricted area. They state that the landowner contract is a legally privileged document which I have no right to inspect; their client VCS is the 'lawful occupier' of the land and manages this 'car park' in a reasonable manner and lastly a repetition that they will rely on EvL and CPS v AHJ etc.
    They ignore everything else and give me another 14 days to pay.

    Do I respond or wait?
    Chin up.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jan 18, 11:18 PM
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    Same advice as here:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5729971
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 5th Jan 18, 7:35 AM
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    Hi CM. I did see this. Thank you. I'll respond. Still unclear on contractual or trespass. I'm unsure of where I stand with the landowner contract which they say I have no right to inspect. Can I still request this? Or should I state that their refusal to provide it is leaving me unable to establish my position?
    Last edited by whiskeytoothpaste; 05-01-2018 at 1:47 PM.
    Chin up.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Jan 18, 10:14 PM
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    Can I still request this?
    Of course, but they won't provide it until they have to (re-hearing).
    Or should I state that their refusal to provide it is leaving me unable to establish my position?
    Certainly. Sounds reasonable.

    As an aside, please contact WHICH? magazine using the easy link from this thread to tell them briefly of your plight. The more people who contact WHICH, the more likely they are to take up this unregulated scam industry as their next cause:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5765579
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 05-01-2018 at 11:31 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 8th Jan 18, 7:11 AM
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    Hi CM. I did that a few days back. I also shared the link. Anything for the cause.
    Chin up.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 15th Jan 18, 1:21 PM
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    I wondered what implications an inaccurate location on NTK has in terms of validity of notice and potental claim? I'm expecting a claim anytime soon.
    Chin up.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 18, 1:29 PM
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    If the location is "obvious" still, then it might not provide any help.
    If it names say one place with an actual car park and it "should have" been for a different car park, then that is of more assistance.
    Courts allow amendments to docs all the time.
    • whiskeytoothpaste
    • By whiskeytoothpaste 15th Jan 18, 5:53 PM
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    Ah I see. Different street and postcode. Their site appears to straddle bits and bobs of an entire block.
    Chin up.
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