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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 18th Jul 17, 8:46 PM
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    Because the OP is many miles away from his ancestral home ( a flat), which is filled with 18th c. furniture and the agent has run off with the deposit and a large chunk of rent. The OP is also liable to HMRC for a tidy sum in tax.


    But the neighbour has spotted a wolf in the house and is stalking the tenants. The OP then asked his sister to inspect, but she decided to put on her best 'murder she wrote' outfit and investigate the tenants claim to be on holiday!


    Come on keep up!
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Excuse me, but the 'flat' is only part of the ancestral home which which great sadness had to be divided into separate dwellings and some of them sold to pay the death tax, on some complicated leasehold. Mine is a substantial three-bedroom dwelling taking up a good portion of the ground floor. I also still own some of the grounds and outbuildings. My sister foolishly decided to sell her portion to live in a modern house, but my late brother's was passed to his children. Therefore over half of the value of the estate remains in the family and I feel justified in regarding it still as our estate and having a huge sentimental attachment to it.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 18th Jul 17, 8:51 PM
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    She lives in scotland the property isn't in scotland.

    If you have a spare hour the 21 pages are worth reading.

    A wolf, a harrassment case, a tax avoidance scheme, missing agents, drugs farms and an 1700s mattress.
    Originally posted by aneary
    An apparent wolf DOG,
    NO harrassment case,
    NO tax avoidance scheme,
    Missing agent - yes, possibly
    NO drugs farms!
    Yes, a mattress. Goodness me, a mattress!

    Hardly the Forsyte Saga!
    • walwyn1978
    • By walwyn1978 18th Jul 17, 9:36 PM
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    I genuinely don't see how them supposedly being on holiday but not on holiday when someone called is such an issue. They may have been away then come home early because someone was ill?

    Have you decided that basically everything they say/do/are seen to do by your friends and neighbours is suspicious?

    And if you don't see any dogs/evidence of wrongdoing on Thursday, what happens then, will you just let them get on with it for the remaining months?
    • Riggyman
    • By Riggyman 18th Jul 17, 11:18 PM
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    An apparent wolf DOG,
    NO harrassment case,
    NO tax avoidance scheme,
    Missing agent - yes, possibly
    NO drugs farms!
    Yes, a mattress. Goodness me, a mattress!

    Hardly the Forsyte Saga!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    And no vampires. This thread is rubbish. 4/10 v.poor
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 19th Jul 17, 1:33 PM
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    I genuinely don't see how them supposedly being on holiday but not on holiday when someone called is such an issue. They may have been away then come home early because someone was ill?

    Have you decided that basically everything they say/do/are seen to do by your friends and neighbours is suspicious?

    And if you don't see any dogs/evidence of wrongdoing on Thursday, what happens then, will you just let them get on with it for the remaining months?
    Originally posted by walwyn1978
    I would not care about whether they were on holiday or not if it had not basically been confirmed by my sister that damages may be occurring. When she rang the bell, she heard a lot of movements inside (not barking, but animal movements). When the female tenant finally answered the door, she had tightly closed the door on the other side of the vestibule. Although there were no vocal sounds, there was thumping against the inner door, several thumps as they spoke. My sister asked to use the phone thinking she could get a look into the house this way, but the female simply produced her mobile phone from her pocket. At this point there was a SCRATCHING noise on the other side of the door. As you can imagine, scratching noises are the last thing that I want to hear, this is exactly what I feared could happen when I first found out about the animal and it seems I may be justified!

    Additionally after some kind of charade with the mobile phone my sister asked if she could use the toilet, but the girl was obviously unwilling and said that it was currently out of order, no problem with the toilets have been reported so I think she was obviously trying to keep her out of the house because of the animal and/or something else. My sister made a joking comment about it sounding like an elephant inside but the tenant just laughed.

    ENough to give a most urgent need to inspect the doors, wooden surfaces for scratching (and the toilet!). It sounds rather unlikely that there will be no damage but of course if everything looks normal I have no choice but to wait!
    • aneary
    • By aneary 19th Jul 17, 1:38 PM
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    I'm guessing as you don't work you are from the upper classes!

    If this is the way the upper classes behave I'm so glad I wasn't born into an upper class family.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 19th Jul 17, 1:46 PM
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    Excuse me, but the 'flat' is only part of the ancestral home which which great sadness had to be divided into separate dwellings and some of them sold to pay the death tax, on some complicated leasehold. Mine is a substantial three-bedroom dwelling taking up a good portion of the ground floor. I also still own some of the grounds and outbuildings. My sister foolishly decided to sell her portion to live in a modern house, but my late brother's was passed to his children. Therefore over half of the value of the estate remains in the family and I feel justified in regarding it still as our estate and having a huge sentimental attachment to it.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    So much so that you rent it out to strangers.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 19th Jul 17, 1:54 PM
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    I would not care about whether they were on holiday or not if it had not basically been confirmed by my sister that damages may be occurring. When she rang the bell, she heard a lot of movements inside (not barking, but animal movements). When the female tenant finally answered the door, she had tightly closed the door on the other side of the vestibule. Although there were no vocal sounds, there was thumping against the inner door, several thumps as they spoke. My sister asked to use the phone thinking she could get a look into the house this way, but the female simply produced her mobile phone from her pocket. At this point there was a SCRATCHING noise on the other side of the door. As you can imagine, scratching noises are the last thing that I want to hear, this is exactly what I feared could happen when I first found out about the animal and it seems I may be justified! - No it's not. They have plenty of time to put it right.

    Additionally after some kind of charade with the mobile phone my sister asked if she could use the toilet, but the girl was obviously unwilling and said that it was currently out of order, no problem with the toilets have been reported so I think she was obviously trying to keep her out of the house because of the animal and/or something else. - yes because she's a stranger she didn't want in her house? I'd of been less polite and told her to go.... My sister made a joking comment about it sounding like an elephant inside but the tenant just laughed.

    ENough to give a most urgent need to inspect the doors, wooden surfaces for scratching (and the toilet!). It sounds rather unlikely that there will be no damage but of course if everything looks normal I have no choice but to wait!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Even if it's destroyed, you cant do anything, I thought we'd been over this....
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 19th Jul 17, 2:01 PM
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    Your sister sounds like a psycho.
    • Heather2603
    • By Heather2603 19th Jul 17, 2:32 PM
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    you're sister turned up at her door unannounced made some daft excuse trying to get in and you think the tennant is the stragne one?

    The term is quiet enjoyment leave the tenants be and let them have that bloody nora.
    • macman
    • By macman 19th Jul 17, 2:35 PM
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    OP, if you have never filed a tax return, then (unless your accountant has Power of Attorney) they haven't been filed. Even if your accountant prepared them, you would still be required to sign them. Did you sign a POA (and please don't reply 'I can't remember')?
    Under these circumstances, I think that a few canine-inflicted scratches on your furniture should be the least of your worries once HMRC get on the case.
    And, if you think that, just because someone works for a bank, they'd find it quite normal to shell out something in the region of 30K upfront for a year's rental and deposit, without actually being requested to do so, then you are deluded.
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    • kmb500
    • By kmb500 19th Jul 17, 2:41 PM
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    Surely if they've broken the agreement in the tenancy then you can evict them whenever you like ?
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 19th Jul 17, 2:45 PM
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    Surely if they've broken the agreement in the tenancy then you can evict them whenever you like ?
    Originally posted by kmb500
    I presume this is sarcasm?
    • LuckyG
    • By LuckyG 19th Jul 17, 2:58 PM
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    I would not care about whether they were on holiday or not if it had not basically been confirmed by my sister that damages may be occurring. When she rang the bell, she heard a lot of movements inside (not barking, but animal movements). When the female tenant finally answered the door, she had tightly closed the door on the other side of the vestibule. Although there were no vocal sounds, there was thumping against the inner door, several thumps as they spoke. My sister asked to use the phone thinking she could get a look into the house this way, but the female simply produced her mobile phone from her pocket. At this point there was a SCRATCHING noise on the other side of the door. As you can imagine, scratching noises are the last thing that I want to hear, this is exactly what I feared could happen when I first found out about the animal and it seems I may be justified!

    Additionally after some kind of charade with the mobile phone my sister asked if she could use the toilet, but the girl was obviously unwilling and said that it was currently out of order, no problem with the toilets have been reported so I think she was obviously trying to keep her out of the house because of the animal and/or something else. My sister made a joking comment about it sounding like an elephant inside but the tenant just laughed.

    ENough to give a most urgent need to inspect the doors, wooden surfaces for scratching (and the toilet!). It sounds rather unlikely that there will be no damage but of course if everything looks normal I have no choice but to wait!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop

    I don't think your sister should go round there again.

    This sounds crazy, it really does.
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 19th Jul 17, 4:20 PM
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    I would LOVE to be there when the tenant answers the door to the sister on the day of the inspection
    • aneary
    • By aneary 19th Jul 17, 4:25 PM
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    I would LOVE to be there when the tenant answers the door to the sister on the day of the inspection
    Originally posted by lovinituk

    I think the OP said she was travelling down now.
    • chucknorris
    • By chucknorris 19th Jul 17, 5:07 PM
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    Oh, I missed the stuff about getting in trouble with The Law. Makes me think of Judge Dredd.
    Originally posted by SuboJvR
    I knew you'd say that!

    OP thank you for this extremely entertaining thread, at least you will have learnt a lot from posting on here about this. I am a landlord, but I'm afraid my sympathies are firmly with your tenants. Won't somebody please think about the dog (I'm not joking).
    Last edited by chucknorris; 19-07-2017 at 5:40 PM.
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    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 19th Jul 17, 5:51 PM
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    I think the OP said she was travelling down now.
    Originally posted by aneary
    Where? I can't see it.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 19th Jul 17, 6:06 PM
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    If the OP is going to visit tomorrow, should I get extra popcorn when I visit the cinema tonight?
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    • bouicca21
    • By bouicca21 19th Jul 17, 7:09 PM
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    should I get extra popcorn when I visit the cinema tonight?
    Definitely.
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