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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • leslieknope
    • By leslieknope 13th Jul 17, 3:58 PM
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    prostitution and murder are illegal. keeping a pet is not.

    when their tenancy is up, please do NOT do this again. you are far too attached to your ancestral home and have zero idea what you're doing, what rights you and the tenant have, or even how to market this with a reputable agent. given you have stated you've never needed to work, you wouldn't need the money to cover a mortgage or anything so if you're going away just leave it empty and get the nosy neighbour to check it.
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 3:59 PM
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    I can just imagine money as a landlord with a "no children" clause in the TA popping round with a wire coathanger and knitting needle if she found out the tenant was pregnant.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    Nope - just giving them their notice all officially etc.

    Since when is a contract not a contract - just because one party to it decides they personally don't wish to abide by it? They shouldnt have signed it in the first place if they had no intention of abiding by it. It's called "being responsible" and not "trying to have everything your own way - regardless of what you agreed to".

    EDIT; and before you go off on your high horse about one party has a right to break the contract and the other doesnt = I've helped someone before now get a private rental that had both a child and a pet BUT they had the child and pet already and were quite open about having them and I knew them well enough to vouch for them that both child and pet would be well-behaved. It worked out very well and both parties were very happy with the arrangement.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 13-07-2017 at 4:05 PM.
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 13th Jul 17, 4:03 PM
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    Off topic but prostitution as in the selling of sexual services for money is not illegal. It's the associated aspects such as soliciting in a public place which breaks the law.
    Last edited by elsien; 13-07-2017 at 5:23 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Riggster
    • By Riggster 13th Jul 17, 4:03 PM
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    Would it be legally inappropriate to ask my neighbour to inspect the property?
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    My sister who lives a couple of miles away has very kindly agreed to do an inspection if the tenants will ALLOW her into the property. I am going to call them today.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop

    To achieve what exactly?
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 4:04 PM
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    No, wear and tear would be covered. Dogs mess from a dog that should not be there would not be. Assuming the dog has hair and can not float or has accidents. - Unless ofcourse they make good the damage...


    Are you suggesting it would also be ok to smoke if the agreement said you can not with no redress. - yes that's exactly what i'm saying. Sounds like your knowledge and common sense is missing. - yes, it must be me.... With only what 7 years of knowledge in providing advice to tenants and landlords.


    That's what I would do and then they can look into the possibility of it not happening......but thanks.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4


    What would you do exactly? try to deduct from an unprotected deposit... clever....
    • n217970
    • By n217970 13th Jul 17, 4:07 PM
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    Since when is a contract not a contract
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    When it is deemed "unfair"
    • leslieknope
    • By leslieknope 13th Jul 17, 4:11 PM
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    as a tenant it really saddens me that some people want to refuse to allow tenants to even basic things, like having a baby should they choose to. as long as the home is returned to the original state (minus normal age & wear and tear) when they leave, does it matter?
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 4:12 PM
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    Perhaps the landlord/lady is friends with the neighbours and would like it to stay that way - without the hassle of trying to "fall over backwards" to apologise/try and deal with barking dogs or crying babies?
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    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 13th Jul 17, 4:14 PM
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    Unless ofcourse they make good the damage...


    If they make good any damage or evidence that a dog lived there then there really would not be an issue would there....Maybe you could reread why the poster objected.




    yes that's exactly what i'm saying


    No point of deposit then is there and little need of your advise.


    What would you do exactly? try to deduct from an unprotected deposit... clever....


    Who says that is not a valid reason for the deposits use. Or is it just a game of musical money..........plain nonsense.







    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 4:19 PM
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    Unless ofcourse they make good the damage...


    If they make good any damage or evidence that a dog lived there then there really would not be an issue would there....Maybe you could reread why the poster objected. - The poster hasn't been there!




    yes that's exactly what i'm saying


    No point of deposit then is there and little need of your advise. - It depends on how the property is returned!


    What would you do exactly? try to deduct from an unprotected deposit... clever....


    Who says that is not a valid reason for the deposits use. Or is it just a game of musical money..........plain nonsense. - You clearly have no idea...







    Originally posted by scd3scd4


    seriously take an hour, read G_Ms threads, then come back
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 13th Jul 17, 4:21 PM
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    Since when is a contract not a contract - just because one party to it decides they personally don't wish to abide by it? They shouldnt have signed it in the first place if they had no intention of abiding by it. It's called "being responsible" and not "trying to have everything your own way - regardless of what you agreed to".
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Oh c'mon money you've been on MSE long enough to know that contracts aren't the be and and end all and I'm not just talking about tenancy agreements either. There are parts of the forum dedicated to PPI reclaims, bankruptcy and debt.

    You can put what you like in a tenancy agreement but that doesn't means its enforceable. The tenancy agreement doesn't trump a tenant's statutory rights.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 4:22 PM
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    To achieve what exactly?
    Originally posted by Riggster
    To achieve peace of mind if nothing else. My imagination is already running riot with all the possibilities so it can hardly be worse.

    Also on the small chance of finding evidence of something illegal going on..... I suppose! Not what you want going on in your property but would be very convenient!
    • leslieknope
    • By leslieknope 13th Jul 17, 4:27 PM
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    oh my god... this has gone from the tenants potentially having a dog and you being allergic, to you thinking they're doing something illegal? because they deigned to POTENTIALLY have a pet????
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    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 4:28 PM
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    To achieve peace of mind if nothing else. My imagination is already running riot with all the possibilities so it can hardly be worse.

    Also on the small chance of finding evidence of something illegal going on..... I suppose! Not what you want going on in your property but would be very convenient!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Lets say there is something illegal - how does that help you? You still cant evict them....
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 4:28 PM
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    Perhaps the landlord/lady is friends with the neighbours and would like it to stay that way - without the hassle of trying to "fall over backwards" to apologise/try and deal with barking dogs or crying babies?
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    I do think one should have the right to bar potential nuisance animals like dogs and babies and for that contract to stand up in a court, if the tenant willingly agrees to it and signs it. This is hardly 'gay cake' territory, by all means force the cake maker to write whatever amorous message you like on your cake in the name of equality but don't say you have the right to force him to sit next to your crying baby and howling wolfdog while he does it!
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 4:29 PM
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    I do think one should have the right to bar potential nuisance animals like dogs and babies and for that contract to stand up in a court, if the tenant willingly agrees to it and signs it. This is hardly 'gay cake' territory, by all means force the cake maker to write whatever amorous message you like on your cake in the name of equality but don't say you have the right to force him to sit next to your crying baby and howling wolfdog while he does it!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Then write to your MP...
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 4:36 PM
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    oh my god... this has gone from the tenants potentially having a dog and you being allergic, to you thinking they're doing something illegal? because they deigned to POTENTIALLY have a pet????
    Originally posted by leslieknope
    No, this was put in my mind by individuals on here making suggestions about money laundering and drugs because of the tenants' high disposable income/some apparent fibs about employment, which I do not entirely believe is likely but has added to my worries. Also because I don't know if they have a connection to my very suspicious agent which is possible. I KNOW that they have a dog because the woman has admitted it to me, she just claims that it isn't legally their dog and that it is not there when I have directly conflicting evidence that it is. If they are so well protected by law I don't know why she just didn't tell me the truth, dishonesty does not bode well!
    • fairy lights
    • By fairy lights 13th Jul 17, 4:37 PM
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    Off topic but prostitution as in the selling of sexual services for money is not in illegal. It's the associated aspects such as soliciting in a personal c place which breaks the law.
    Originally posted by elsien
    Would you need to get a permit from the council to run a brothel from home though? Would it affect your council tax banding, and would you need to pay for a trade waste service to remove....used delicates?
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 4:38 PM
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    Lets say there is something illegal - how does that help you? You still cant evict them....
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Let's say they were running a brothel in there (I am deliberately exaggerating to make a point), it would be raided and shut down and the guilty parties prosecuted and taken into custody.
    • leslieknope
    • By leslieknope 13th Jul 17, 4:40 PM
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    lord above.... yes, lets threaten people with eviction from their home just because they got pregnant.
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