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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 2:24 PM
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    You don't want the tenants to be able to claim you told her to do it, do you? Taking photos of them in their own home is really bad.
    Originally posted by gingercordial
    No no, the photos were taken through HER window, she is a hiding behind the blinds sort of woman. She hasn't so far taken any photos of them inside their home. I agree that it is not ideal behaviour but hopefully the tenants haven't noticed or will just laugh it off. I will ask her to please not irritate them and stop taking photos, but if she does notice anything obviously strange I would prefer to know about it given my current situation, to be honest.
    • Riggster
    • By Riggster 13th Jul 17, 2:38 PM
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    Would it be legally inappropriate to ask my neighbour to inspect the property?
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop

    I'm intrigued as to what you feel an inspection would achieve?
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 13th Jul 17, 2:45 PM
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    I thought that they may at least be able to help me find out where he is or if he is known to them, don't they have a database?
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    I don't think you understand how it works. Even if he is known to them they're not going to give you all his details! Perhaps you should speak to a Private Investigator if you want him found!
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 2:47 PM
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    How were you planning to prevent children?
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Errrrm.....put it in the contract to start with that children weren't allowed.

    Duh!!
    It's ok, I didn't believe in reincarnation the last time, either.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 2:47 PM
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    I'm intrigued as to what you feel an inspection would achieve?
    Originally posted by Riggster
    I want someone reliable to tell me what kind of animal this is, if it is noisy or aggressive, whether it has any friends in with it and whether it is distributing its mud, hair, smells, scratches all over the carpet and furniture!
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 2:51 PM
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    Errrrm.....put it in the contract to start with that children weren't allowed.

    Duh!!
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    That doesn't work really....
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 2:52 PM
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    I want someone reliable to tell me what kind of animal this is, if it is noisy or aggressive, whether it has any friends in with it and whether it is distributing its mud, hair, smells, scratches all over the carpet and furniture!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop


    It could be a tiger, giraffe or crocodile - how are you still not understanding that it is TOTALLY irrelevant.


    You cant even evict them without returning the 4,000 deposit!
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 2:56 PM
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    You said that I could give 24 hours, then inspect! How is that at all unreasonable as a request?
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    A landlord is allowed to inspect - with that 24 hours notice. When I was in private rented accommodation I was always very conscious that the landlord had that right.

    Presumably the same applies to their agent - ie the neighbour in this case.
    It's ok, I didn't believe in reincarnation the last time, either.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 3:00 PM
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    That doesn't work really....
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Why?

    The agent (or supposed agent in this case) asks them at the outset if they have any children or are pregnant. Simples....
    It's ok, I didn't believe in reincarnation the last time, either.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 3:02 PM
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    It could be a tiger, giraffe or crocodile - how are you still not understanding that it is TOTALLY irrelevant.
    Originally posted by Guest101
    I just can't believe that is true. What if it were a whole zoo? What if it were a brothel?? What if they were assembling nuclear bombs or sacrificing children at the altar??? There must be a line somewhere!
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 13th Jul 17, 3:03 PM
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    A landlord is allowed to inspect - with that 24 hours notice. When I was in private rented accommodation I was always very conscious that the landlord had that right.

    Presumably the same applies to their agent - ie the neighbour in this case.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    It's not as cut and dry as that.

    The landlord needs to give 24 hours written notice before attempting to enter the property. The tenancy agreement should state under which circumstances the landlord can enter the property, inspections, repairs, viewing at the end of the tenancy, etc. Who knows what provisions the TA used by the OP contains?

    The tenants could tell a landlord to bog off citing their right to quiet enjoyment and then it would be down to the landlord forcing entry and risking harassment charges or going to court for an order enforcing clauses in the TA which are supposed to allow access.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 13th Jul 17, 3:03 PM
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    1. There are remedies to unwanted pregnancies or have the last 40 odd years of abortion/adoption/etc not happened apparently.

    2. They knew what the contract said - so if they decided subsequently to break it = onus on them to deal with that (ie find somewhere else to live).
    It's ok, I didn't believe in reincarnation the last time, either.
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 13th Jul 17, 3:10 PM
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    Oh, I see, you want the LL/agent to ignore equality/human rights legislation. Don't you think he's in enough trouble?
    Originally posted by Penitent
    I can just imagine money as a landlord with a "no children" clause in the TA popping round with a wire coathanger and knitting needle if she found out the tenant was pregnant.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 13th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
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    My sister who lives a couple of miles away has very kindly agreed to do an inspection if the tenants will ALLOW her into the property. I am going to call them today.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 13th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
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    1. There are remedies to unwanted pregnancies or have the last 40 odd years of abortion/adoption/etc not happened apparently.

    2. They knew what the contract said - so if they decided subsequently to break it = onus on them to deal with that (ie find somewhere else to live).
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    You surpass yourself yet again. People having abortions to avoid breaching their tenancy agreement.

    Are you trying to make a fool of yourself? Honestly, is that it?
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 13th Jul 17, 3:28 PM
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    My sister who lives a couple of miles away has very kindly agreed to do an inspection if the tenants will ALLOW her into the property. I am going to call them today.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Honestly, I don't know what you hope to achieve by this. You have far greater problems. What do you propose to do based on the results of your inspection?
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 3:31 PM
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    I just can't believe that is true. What if it were a whole zoo? What if it were a brothel?? What if they were assembling nuclear bombs or sacrificing children at the altar??? There must be a line somewhere!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Yes there is, where the law is involved. Keeping a dog isn't illegal....
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 3:32 PM
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    Why?

    The agent (or supposed agent in this case) asks them at the outset if they have any children or are pregnant. Simples....
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Equality act - read it...
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 3:33 PM
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    1. There are remedies to unwanted pregnancies or have the last 40 odd years of abortion/adoption/etc not happened apparently.

    2. They knew what the contract said - so if they decided subsequently to break it = onus on them to deal with that (ie find somewhere else to live).
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    that's not what the law says
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 13th Jul 17, 3:57 PM
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    That's not likely to happen for many reasons, but as you clearly have no knowledge on this subject matter, it's simpler to say - no, that's not possible.
    Originally posted by Guest101



    No, wear and tear would be covered. Dogs mess from a dog that should not be there would not be. Assuming the dog has hair and can not float or has accidents.


    Are you suggesting it would also be ok to smoke if the agreement said you can not with no redress. Sounds like your knowledge and common sense are missing.


    That's what I would do and then they can look into the possibility of it not happening......but thanks.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 13-07-2017 at 4:03 PM.
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