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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 10th Jul 17, 9:36 PM
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    Don't those sorts of people have solicitors and accountants to protect them from themselves?
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    They do, but if they decided not to tell the accountants about this because the rental agent said it was all covered, there's not much that the accountant could do.
    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 10th Jul 17, 10:00 PM
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    I've always wondered how a dog's DNA is captured in its poo.....but I digress
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    Faeces contain cells from the intestine as well as red and white blood cells, all of which can provide DNA.

    However, you would probably need quite a fresh sample, and to ensure it wasn't contaminated or denatured by anything.




    Ps. There are full-blooded wolves in Scotland, I believe.
    Not that that's got anything to do with anything.
    Much.

    Plus, not knowing one's NI number kind of suggests quite a young person, I would have thought.
    Do you know, I can actually recite mine from memory! Wow!
    Did you know that the first two letters are code for the year/time period you were born in?
    Last edited by Pyxis; 10-07-2017 at 10:18 PM.
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    • amibovvered
    • By amibovvered 10th Jul 17, 10:36 PM
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    Strikes me you need to take some time off work & do a little physical investigating.....like knocking on doors of agents.

    Seems your tenants & their dog is now the least of your problems
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    Couldn't he just get his butler to do all that sort of stuff?
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    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 11th Jul 17, 9:59 AM
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    This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
    • Riggyman
    • By Riggyman 11th Jul 17, 12:13 PM
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    I'm only awarding 6/10 so far. With the addition of a bag for life, potential vampire sightings, allegations of satanism and the running of a petting zoo as a business from the premises, I'm confident this thread could achieve at least 9/10.
    • fairy lights
    • By fairy lights 11th Jul 17, 12:25 PM
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    I'm only awarding 6/10 so far. With the addition of a bag for life, potential vampire sightings, allegations of satanism and the running of a petting zoo as a business from the premises, I'm confident this thread could achieve at least 9/10.
    Originally posted by Riggyman
    If a re-gifted chocolate orange gets brought in to play we might have a winner
    • SuboJvR
    • By SuboJvR 11th Jul 17, 12:47 PM
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    This is not a helpful programme!! My agent has disappeared and with him the damage deposit!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    So the deposit isn't in a protected scheme?

    Oh boy.

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/tenancy_deposits/tenancy_deposit_compensation_claims

    Your tenants will be entitled to claim compensation for this.
    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 11th Jul 17, 12:57 PM
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    Commercial Union is the way to go.
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    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 11th Jul 17, 1:40 PM
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    Oh dear...
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    I don't think that this OP did their homework before becoming a LL.
    • WibblyGirly
    • By WibblyGirly 11th Jul 17, 1:56 PM
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    I must admit this thread has helped me! I'm on the other side of this landlords issue in that I'm trying to find a house to rent that will allow me to have my cat but so many say no pets that I was debating on just not telling them about him as I'll only need the property for 12 months.
    It's not nice of me to lie about my pet but so few properties allow pets and we are good tenants, its sad so many landlords won't allow a pet. We got ours from a rescue and there is no way I'm taking him back to one.
    • SuboJvR
    • By SuboJvR 11th Jul 17, 2:10 PM
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    I must admit this thread has helped me! I'm on the other side of this landlords issue in that I'm trying to find a house to rent that will allow me to have my cat but so many say no pets that I was debating on just not telling them about him as I'll only need the property for 12 months.
    It's not nice of me to lie about my pet but so few properties allow pets and we are good tenants, its sad so many landlords won't allow a pet. We got ours from a rescue and there is no way I'm taking him back to one.
    Originally posted by WibblyGirly
    Just be sure to put the property back how you found it. This may mean forking out for a professional clean And be mindful of property visits - let the cat out/hide food bowls Cats who toilet outside don't really give themselves away with smell in a property they live in.

    A lot of the time it is that landlords aren't educated about the reality of what 'damage' a pet may cause, it's easier to just blanket say no. Your rescue cat may be the most low maintenance cat in the world but another person may have a destructive kitten who rips a furnished place to shreds!

    Another thing is that the agent may just have it as a standard "no pets" on their adverts and such and in the contract. Ours did that. They also manage next door, who have had a cat from the day they moved in. Unsure if they ever sought permission but it's now two years later.

    It has always put me off actually getting a pet whilst renting, as I feel that is perhaps taking the mick, but to have a much loved family pet and then need to find a home is very different.
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 11th Jul 17, 2:19 PM
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    I must admit this thread has helped me! I'm on the other side of this landlords issue in that I'm trying to find a house to rent that will allow me to have my cat but so many say no pets that I was debating on just not telling them about him as I'll only need the property for 12 months.
    It's not nice of me to lie about my pet but so few properties allow pets and we are good tenants, its sad so many landlords won't allow a pet. We got ours from a rescue and there is no way I'm taking him back to one.
    Originally posted by WibblyGirly
    Our tenants have a cat and we are ok with it. We have pets ourselves (cat and dog) so I wonder if that's why we are more relaxed about it.
    • davholla
    • By davholla 11th Jul 17, 2:22 PM
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    This is not the first straw by the way, what looked like a cat has previously been sighted in the window but I let it slide. Since the tenants continue to lie to me about the dog I would not be surprised if there is a cat as well.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    I think wolves eat cats so I don't think that is a possibility.
    • LuckyG
    • By LuckyG 11th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
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    I do apologise, why don't I ask my tenants to add some hypoallergenic rats and their army of friendly fleas to the petting zoo they are creating in my ancestral home.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    My rats are very clean animals, they're even litter trained.

    I really think you're over reacting a little, you seem very angry about the whole situation. Maybe being a landlord isn't for you.
    • KateySW
    • By KateySW 11th Jul 17, 2:37 PM
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    Wow, what a ride! This was exactly what I needed on a rainy lunch break...

    *eats popcorn and waits for further updates*
    Last edited by KateySW; 11-07-2017 at 2:52 PM.
    • aneary
    • By aneary 11th Jul 17, 2:57 PM
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    I want to know what the HMRC said and why the police are now involved ooo and where is the agent (who is a friend of a friend) with the deposit and possibly tax money.
    • ViolaLass
    • By ViolaLass 11th Jul 17, 3:13 PM
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    I do apologise, why don't I ask my tenants to add some hypoallergenic rats and their army of friendly fleas to the petting zoo they are creating in my ancestral home.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Maybe you shouldn't rent the property out if you are so attached to it.
    • ThePants999
    • By ThePants999 11th Jul 17, 3:45 PM
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    What a thread. If not a wind-up, I actually have a little bit of sympathy for the OP - yes, they're pretty much the worst landlord ever, but let's be fair - if you knew absolutely nothing about being a landlord and had no intention of being one, and someone called you up and said "allow me to let your property, you won't have to lift a finger", you'd be a bit upset when you discovered just what you'd actually signed up to. And even more upset when this someone vanished with the tenant's deposit and the money that was supposed to be set aside to pay your taxes, which I'll wager has happened here.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 11th Jul 17, 4:44 PM
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    Wow, what a ride! This was exactly what I needed on a rainy lunch break...

    *eats popcorn and waits for further updates*
    Originally posted by KateySW
    I am sorry, but this is a very unfortunate real life situation, not a soap opera for your amusement!!
    • fairy lights
    • By fairy lights 11th Jul 17, 4:45 PM
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    I'd be pretty worried that they might replace the c18th mattress with a cheap ikea knock off
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