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    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 6th Jun 17, 10:55 AM
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    Letter before Claim - Wright Hassall/ZZPS
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    • 6th Jun 17, 10:55 AM
    Letter before Claim - Wright Hassall/ZZPS 6th Jun 17 at 10:55 AM
    I received a LBC today from Wright Hassall on the instructions of ZZPS stating that I have 14 days from the date of the letter to settle the PCN claim.

    In December 2016 I was issued with a ticket for parking 'Without Valid Permit or Authority' in my space at work.

    Unfortunately the permit had fallen from the windscreen when the PCN was issued but I do have valid authority to park there and have done for 8 years without issue.

    Intially I rang the number on the PCN and requested that they remove it as it was my allocated space, paid for by the company I work for and that I have a valid permit to park there. They requested I send over photos so I did along with a formal email appealing the ticket.

    They replied back with their own photos and said that they did not dispute that I had authority to park there just that I hadn't been displaying a permit at the time.

    Should I have received a POPLA at the point where I emailed the appeal?

    Subsequently, a letter was received to the Registered Keeper of the vehicle (my partner) and she passed on my details to them via email.

    For the past number of months ZZPS and Wright Hassall have been contacting me regularly in regards to the alleged debt which has now increased from £25 to £196.00 inlcuding additonal charges.

    What are my options here?

    Thanks.
    Last edited by marty1888; 06-06-2017 at 11:14 AM.
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    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 27th Sep 17, 12:02 PM
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    Actually, they haven't bought the debt; the last letter is still a debt collector's letter as it refers to "our client".

    You can of course make a complaint to the CSA, as MIL Collections are a member, although based on past experience the CSA are equally useless.
    Originally posted by Castle
    I'll see them in court. There isn't a hope in hell that I'm paying £196 to them.
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 5th Oct 17, 10:39 AM
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    So MIL don't seem to be giving up on this one.

    New letter received stating:

    FINAL DEMAND

    Despite previous letters sent to you, the above debt still remains unpaid.


    Your name and address may now be referred for independant (sic) verification and then reviewed by our legal department.


    Our client believes this debt is lawfully due and payable and as such could be subject to legal action.


    Yours faithfully,


    Nobody because we didn't bother signing it


    Collections Department



    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 5th Oct 17, 11:32 AM
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    So MIL don't seem to be giving up on this one.

    New letter received stating:

    FINAL DEMAND

    Despite previous letters sent to you, the above debt still remains unpaid.

    Your name and address may now be referred for independant (sic) verification and then reviewed by our legal department.

    Our client believes this debt is lawfully due and payable and as such could be subject to legal action.


    Yours faithfully,


    Nobody because we didn't bother signing it


    Collections Department



    Originally posted by marty1888
    They won't give up, well they do when blasted in court
    or they scupper themselves and discontinue.

    POINTS:
    "may now" <<<< THE OLD WORD "MAY"

    "Our client believes this debt is lawfully due" <<< PROVE IT

    Taking into account that they must now follow the new
    claim procedure, they have big hoops to jump through
    if a court is to accept their claim.

    There letter means nothing , it's just the MIL way to scare you
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Oct 17, 11:45 AM
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    Coupon-mad
    It's just a debt collector letter - MIL do seem to have dumbed down since last year!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 5th Oct 17, 12:03 PM
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    They won't give up, well they do when blasted in court
    or they scupper themselves and discontinue.

    POINTS:
    "may now" <<<< THE OLD WORD "MAY"

    "Our client believes this debt is lawfully due" <<< PROVE IT

    Taking into account that they must now follow the new
    claim procedure, they have big hoops to jump through
    if a court is to accept their claim.

    There letter means nothing , it's just the MIL way to scare you
    Originally posted by beamerguy

    What is the new claims procedure?
    • safarmuk
    • By safarmuk 5th Oct 17, 12:09 PM
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    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/pdf/protocols/pre-action-protocol-for-debt-claims.pdf

    As of October 1st the protocol required for a Business (e.g.a PPC) to pursue a "debt" from an individual (e.g. you) has changed - see PDF above.

    If the PPC want to now bring a claim against you they must follow this new protocol. The new requirements will mean the PPCs solicitors spending much more time on the LBC and also providing you much more information (things they currently do not do). This will not fit well with the current cost model.
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 5th Oct 17, 12:42 PM
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    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/pdf/protocols/pre-action-protocol-for-debt-claims.pdf

    As of October 1st the protocol required for a Business (e.g.a PPC) to pursue a "debt" from an individual (e.g. you) has changed - see PDF above.

    If the PPC want to now bring a claim against you they must follow this new protocol. The new requirements will mean the PPCs solicitors spending much more time on the LBC and also providing you much more information (things they currently do not do). This will not fit well with the current cost model.
    Originally posted by safarmuk

    Based on the above new requirements it would seem that this is simply a scare tactic to get me to pay now so they can make some money out of it. I will happily see them in Court if required but that process may now well cost them a lot more than the claim is worth.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 5th Oct 17, 12:48 PM
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    Based on the above new requirements it would seem that this is simply a scare tactic to get me to pay now so they can make some money out of it. I will happily see them in Court if required but that process may now well cost them a lot more than the claim is worth.
    Originally posted by marty1888
    Did you ever see Crocodile Dundee about a knife ?
    You can now be Crocodile Dundee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJtaO2xB_o
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 6th Oct 17, 12:32 PM
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    Did you ever see Crocodile Dundee about a knife ?
    You can now be Crocodile Dundee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJtaO2xB_o
    Originally posted by beamerguy

    Funnily enough I watched it on Film4 a few nights ago.
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 17th Jan 18, 10:20 AM
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    So I have received a letter from the County Court Business Centre in Northampton dated 12/01/2018 advising me that this is now going to court.

    What's the best way to proceed from here?

    I fully intend to defend the claim.

    I have a letter from the location manager stating that I am entitled to park in my space and have done so without hindrance for nearly 10 years, I have photos of the vehicle on the day with a valid parking permit on display and I also have correspondence between myself and the parking ticket issuer appealing and their response where no POPLA solution was offered.

    Is this all valid?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Jan 18, 10:47 AM
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    All you need to know/do is provided in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, which takes through all the stages from the receipt of the LBC to the actual hearing. Read it thoroughly and keep it bookmarked as you will need to reference it quite often over the next few months.

    If you read it well, you will be ready for each new piece of the action as it progresses, each !!!8216;piece!!!8217; you will need to deal with in very timely fashion, as per a dictated timetable.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 17th Jan 18, 10:52 AM
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    All you need to know/do is provided in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, which takes through all the stages from the receipt of the LBC to the actual hearing. Read it thoroughly and keep it bookmarked as you will need to reference it quite often over the next few months.

    If you read it well, you will be ready for each new piece of the action as it progresses, each ‘piece’ you will need to deal with in very timely fashion, as per a dictated timetable.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    I'll have a look at that now. Thanks.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 17th Jan 18, 10:57 AM
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    And we mean READ. No skimming.
    First step is acknowledging the claim. This gives you the full 33 days.

    Who is the claimant?
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 17th Jan 18, 11:45 AM
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    And we mean READ. No skimming.
    First step is acknowledging the claim. This gives you the full 33 days.

    Who is the claimant?
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    MIL Collections Ltd. In particular, Alan Davis.

    Am I best acknowledging the claim immediately via the Moneyclaim website or waiting to the 14th day?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 17th Jan 18, 11:52 AM
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    Waiting has no advantage!

    Do it now (5 min job) then move on to preparing your defence
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jan 18, 11:52 AM
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    MIL Collections Ltd. In particular, Alan Davis.

    Am I best acknowledging the claim immediately via the Moneyclaim website or waiting to the 14th day?
    Originally posted by marty1888
    OMG ... Bonnie and Clyde are back again

    Time for your education about MIL
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=MIL
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 17th Jan 18, 12:44 PM
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    OMG ... Bonnie and Clyde are back again

    Time for your education about MIL
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=MIL
    Originally posted by beamerguy

    They sound like a right shower. Gives me hope that they won't win this one.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Jan 18, 12:50 PM
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    On the Prankster!!!8217;s blog site (helpfully linked by beamerguy) you will find numerous blogs about how MIL have been comprehensively beaten at court, or how they pull out where a strong defence has been put together.

    All of these are essential background reading for you so you get some knowledge of things like Assignment of Debt and Champerty and Maintenance.

    Is the PPC CPMS?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • marty1888
    • By marty1888 17th Jan 18, 1:01 PM
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    On the Prankster’s blog site (helpfully linked by beamerguy) you will find numerous blogs about how MIL have been comprehensively beaten at court, or how they pull out where a strong defence has been put together.

    All of these are essential background reading for you so you get some knowledge of things like Assignment of Debt and Champerty and Maintenance.

    Is the PPC CPMS?
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    It was Local Car Park Management.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Jan 18, 1:10 PM
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    It was Local Car Park Management.
    Originally posted by marty1888
    OK, thanks for confirmation. The same issues will still pertain.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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