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    • By fadeinout 31st May 17, 9:17 AM
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    PCN Wrong registration number entered on ticket machine
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    • 31st May 17, 9:17 AM
    PCN Wrong registration number entered on ticket machine 31st May 17 at 9:17 AM
    Hi

    Got a PCN NTK letter through the post last week.

    What happened was my partner used my car that morning and when she paid for the ticket, without thinking, she entered her registration number, instead of the registration number of my car which she was driving. Fortunately, she has kept the ticket proving this.
    I have explained all this in my appeal to myparkingcharge but they are insisting I name her and give them her details.
    Are they entitled to do this?

    Thanks in advance for any input
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    • By fadeinout 4th May 18, 5:01 AM
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    Ah OK I forgot yours was a speculative claim direct from VCS.

    Same advice applies and yes you could try that email addy. I would also post a copy and get a free certificate of posting and keep it in your file for later.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    They are so outraged by this case and so convinced they have a viable claim, they didnít even bother to involve their solicitor!!

    I will fire off a couple of copies as you suggest and see if they reply

    Thank You
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    • By fadeinout 15th May 18, 2:08 PM
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    Ah OK I forgot yours was a speculative claim direct from VCS.

    Same advice applies and yes you could try that email addy. I would also post a copy and get a free certificate of posting and keep it in your file for later.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Iíve filed a copy of my DQ with the court, which is now showing on MCOL

    Iíve also emailed and sent a copy of my DQ via post to VCS

    If they file their DQ with the court, will that appear to me on MCOL?
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    • By Coupon-mad 15th May 18, 2:38 PM
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    Yes it should, and they must send you a copy too.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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    • By fadeinout 15th May 18, 7:04 PM
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    Yes it should, and they must send you a copy too.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Thank You.

    I've had the DQ from the claimant. They want mediation. Good luck with that!

    All that's showing in MCOL are my actions. So im guessing they havent bothered sending a copy to the court yet.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th May 18, 8:18 PM
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    Ah OK, or maybe MCOL are behind in updating. Often they have weeks' backlog.

    Anyway it's now a waiting game till it is allocated locally and you get your dates.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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    • By fadeinout 15th May 18, 8:28 PM
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    Ah OK, or maybe MCOL are behind in updating. Often they have weeks' backlog.

    Anyway it's now a waiting game till it is allocated locally and you get your dates.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    It took 11 days from emailing my DQ to it updating on MCOL, so its entirely possible, as you say, they are snowed under.

    I will report back when it gets allocated to my CC. Thanks
    • Tropla
    • By Tropla 14th Jun 18, 12:03 PM
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    May I ask if you paid for a ticket on your debit card and the letter you recieve from "Premier Park" states. The reason we issued a PCN to the vehicle is as follows : Whole period of parking not paid for.

    And you wrote back supplying evidence of paying and the actual parking ticket issued from the pay and display, what grounds have they ?
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    • By fadeinout 14th Jun 18, 12:11 PM
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    I presented the parking ticket during the initial appeal process, but they rejected it. As its an unregulated industry, they will try it on no matter what the circumstances.
    During my research for this I discovered the argument, no loss was made, is not good enough on its own.
    Im currently waiting for my case to be allocated by my local court.
    Last edited by fadeinout; 14-06-2018 at 12:20 PM.
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    • By Coupon-mad 14th Jun 18, 2:55 PM
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    No loss is not good enough at all; unless argued very cleverly and distinguishing it from everything the Supreme Court (except for one wise Judge) swallowed whole in the Beavis case.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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    • By fadeinout 19th Jul 18, 8:32 PM
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    Ive finally had a date for the court hearing.
    Im in the process of compiling my witness statement.

    Outline of it will be that Im the registered keeper but was not the driver. My partner was the driver (do I name her at this stage?) who in error entered her cars registration number.

    I have the parking ticket purchased for the date and time of the alleged offence.

    Other legal arguments such as no contract was made, anpr camera misuse etc etc


    Any help greatly appreciated
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    • By Quentin 19th Jul 18, 8:34 PM
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    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of the driver


    The ppcs monitor here and can use posts in your thread against you


    See the Newbies FAQ #2 for advice on compiling a WS
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    • By Thorsson 19th Jul 18, 8:35 PM
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    I'm amazed. Months in and you still haven't picked up that you don't name the driver - and you don;t say who they are in these forums either!
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    • By KeithP 19th Jul 18, 8:37 PM
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    (do I name her at this stage?)
    Originally posted by fadeinout
    Not a good idea.

    Consider: you win the case.

    The PPC, armed with the driver's information, could then start proceedings against her.
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    • By fadeinout 19th Jul 18, 8:40 PM
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    During my first appeal I stated my partner was driving and the registration number was entered in error.
    Nothing I!!!8217;ve said here is news to them.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 19th Jul 18, 8:57 PM
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    During my first appeal I stated my partner was driving and the registration number was entered in error.
    Nothing I've said here is news to them.
    Originally posted by fadeinout

    That's not what you were advised here (#4)


    And not what you told us in #6 (where you told us you sent the template appeal!)


    And not what you told us in your #32


    As Ive never disclosed the identity of the driver, will POFA apply in my case?
    Originally posted by fadeinout
    Last edited by Quentin; 19-07-2018 at 9:04 PM.
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    • By fadeinout 19th Jul 18, 9:08 PM
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    That's not what you were advised here (#4)


    And not what you told us in #6 (where you told us you sent the template appeal!)


    And not what you told us in your #32
    Originally posted by Quentin
    I think we are confusing identify and naming.

    Ive never named the driver.

    Iím defending as the keeper.

    A ticket was paid for, but an incorrect VRN was entered
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 19th Jul 18, 9:15 PM
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    As an addition to what I have already written in post #73 it won't take a genius to put two and two together and write to Mrs Fadeinout at your address with a Letter Before Claim.

    It's already done now, but it is for exactly this type of reason that it is suggested that the template appeal is send without change.
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    • By fadeinout 19th Jul 18, 9:27 PM
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    As an addition to what I have already written in post #73 it won't take a genius to put two and two together and write to Mrs Fadeinout at your address with a Letter Before Claim.

    It's already done now, but it is for exactly this type of reason that it is suggested that the template appeal is send without change.
    Originally posted by KeithP

    Ive never been daft enough to get married so that 2 and 2 would equate to 73

    Totally confused now though how to go about the witness statement
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 19th Jul 18, 9:33 PM
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    Quentin

    Totally confused now though how to go about the witness statement
    Originally posted by fadeinout

    As #71 above


    Compiling a WS is covered in the FAQ #2
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    • By fadeinout 19th Jul 18, 9:36 PM
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    As #71 above


    Compiling a WS is covered in the FAQ #2
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Thank You.

    I will put one together and post back here
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