Changing will of a person with dementia

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  • SevenOfNine
    SevenOfNine Posts: 2,357 Forumite
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    When was she last assessed? Maybe it's time to get that done again anyway. Do you have fears that she may be deemed still relatively competent? Will the specialist give you an opinion based on last assessment, just out of interest?

    If brother is failing to give her medication he'll do himself no favours, this will likely speed up deterioration, making her even less likely to be considered to have enough mental capacity to understand a new Will.

    Why is necessary for either of you to cancel the carers visits? Surely it's better to maintain that routine whether you're there or not. Have you spoken to social services (are they providing the carers or have you organised this yourselves privately?), if not, I probably would if I were you.

    Enough on your plate without having to keep one eye on your brother.
    Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.
  • leespot
    leespot Posts: 554 Forumite
    Family are not always the best people for the job (I don't mean you, but your bother). My grandmother had a cousin and his family move in with to care for her after a stroke, only to find that the exact opposite happened. There are 5 of them living with her and she still has to rely on carers to get things done. The most recent issue was that she suffered a stroke at 9am and nobody in the family was told until 8pm that evening, at which point the paramedics were called and she was admitted to hospital as you would expect.

    I'm aware of what it's like to live with someone with dementia - my father has it but only early stages. Your mum really sounds very frail and your brothers behaviour is concerning. I hope you get things sorted for her and your sake.
  • I've cancelled the carers on a couple of occasions hoping my brother would look after mum with care. Relations have broken down with him since last week when I was accused of so many untrue things. I'm wondering how he would know when he's not up here to see what I'm accused of. :mad: Brothers not here long, but when he is, he goes out shopping, drinking with friends or drinking alone watching the match. Not spending what little time he does have here with mum.
    Mum was last assessed about last September.

    Mums canny enough to know what to say to carers...i.e.: I've eaten/showered. And to the Psych nurse. Telling them what they need to hear iyswim. She was telling me today how her sisters don't call...one calls on a weekly basis and the other died years ago. When I reminded mum she looked at me blankly.

    Dementia is such a horrible disease. Robbing the person concerned and the family of a beloved family member.
  • Meant to say, social worker recommended and organised care agency who on the whole are pretty good. We've had a few problems with a carer who was turning up around 7am and staying less than ten minutes. I had her removed.
  • SevenOfNine
    SevenOfNine Posts: 2,357 Forumite
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    edited 15 April 2017 at 11:07PM
    FiL has vascular dementia, no short term memory, doesn't recognise own 2 sons who go round each day.Remembers their names but doesn't know they're his sons! Lives on his own with carer AM & PM.

    Makes own breakfast of porridge in the microwave, a dangerous sight to behold, & tea of a sandwich. Showers & changes clothes if/when he feels like it. BiL flatly refuses to use meals-on-wheels so he has to sort out cooked meal every lunchtime (stubborn tw@t).

    Last year when MiL was still alive she wanted to change mirror Wills but he wasn't deemed competent enough to change his.

    A living death, I'm so sorry. We have a lot of problems with BiL, but greed isn't one of them thankfully.

    Good luck with this.
    Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.
  • My mum makes no meals at all. She tells carers she makes toast but the loaf is sitting in the bread bin unopened. My daughter and I try to get her into the shower...she reckons she has one every night. I turn the shower head to the wall and leave bit of loo paper over the plug so I would know. Plus the fact I have a nose! :rotfl:

    Brother is an utter **** all he's interested in money. The saying Money is the root of all evil is so right!
  • You obviously have the measure of your brother, and that his idea of caring for your mother isn't going to meet her high level of needs.

    For your mother's own welfare, I wouldn't rely on him to do the right thing when he occasionally appears - he doesn't really have a clue; would you leave a small child in his care? It amounts to the same thing.

    I do understand that you would like him to do his bit and help out with the hard work - but what he provides really isn't good enough for your Mum. And it isn't going to change - it will be less stressful for you if you just handle everything for the safety of your Mum. It won't be easy, and you will need to get on top of your understandable feelings of resentment. Easy for me to say, not so easy to do!

    You haven't responded about the Attorneyship for your mum's finances? Please get that in place if you haven't already - it really is important, although it may well lead to some discord with your brother. Sadly those that do the least often have a strong interest in the financial side of things, and can put in a surprising amount of effort to control that.

    If you haven't already come across it, the Alzheimer's Society website is an excellent source of information, and it has a very helpful and supportive forum, Talking Point; there is always someone who has been through a similar problem to your own who will give you some helpful ideas how to handle things, or just be a listening ear

    https://forum.alzheimers.org.uk/
  • SevenOfNine
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    First question the specialist should ask is if she recalls signing the letter - don't doubt brother got her to sign it, but can she even remember doing so.

    Good link from troubleinparadise, you'll get advice on how to handle this, what to expect & what to ensure actually happens during this particular assessment. Make sure he's not with her beforehand unless you're there as well - all the time. No days beforehand with him in her ear like a drill sargeant!

    Do the carers notes back up the fibs about eating toast, showering, clothes changing? I'm also wondering how easy it might be for you to get her to sign a letter saying she doesn't assessing & doesn't want to change her Will.

    Obviously not done in a way to distress her, though don't expect brother has/had such qualms - just to see/show how easy it is to manipulate her. Good idea to get your own solicitor, if only to question brother's motives & concerns about level of caregiving when he's there.
    Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    I think the most important question here is: who actually wants your mother's will to be changed? And why?

    For example, if she herself has had the thought 'oh this will was made a number of years ago when things were different, I was in a marriage then but now am widowed and living alone'.

    Many solicitors will tell you: a will should be reviewed every few years in case there are changes that have to be made.

    Yes, I know the OP has said that Mum is suffering from dementia. The only reason for changing her will would be that she wants to leave her estate differently. But does she? And is she capable of making that sort of major decision, given that she needs someone on hand to remind her to take her medication, eat her toast and take a shower? Daily activities of living that most of us do without using up much brain effort. Changing a will takes much more brain effort, but must not be influenced by any other person!
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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    OP You said at the start that your brother and you had PoA.

    A LPA? EPA? Do you jointly hold the authority? Or is it you with him as the reserve? Does it cover just finance or heathcare too?

    Have you tried speaking to your Mum's solicitor about the matter of her dementia? I think a word with her GP about her capacity would make sense.

    Its a stressful time for you I can see. A terrible disease at any age.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
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