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    • DocTim
    • By DocTim 4th Mar 17, 2:58 PM
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    Ford Ecoboost - engine failure
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    Ford Ecoboost - engine failure 4th Mar 17 at 2:58 PM
    We bought my daughter a second-hand Ford Focus just over a year ago, with the new 1.0 Ecoboost 125 bhp engine. Bought it from a non-Ford car dealer. Found it was loosing coolant after buying it. The car dealer was useless but we found out there was a recall by Ford to fix a coolant degas pipe, that was likely to fail completely and destroy the engine. So the car was booked into the local Ford dealer about 9 months ago, the pipe replaced and the coolant loss fixed. Last week the engine failed - I suspect a blown head gasket.

    The car is now just over 4 years old, so outside it's Ford warrenty. It's done about 50,000 miles, with a full service history (last two non-Ford). If it is a failed head gasket, then this would be related to the coolant loss - a design fault. We don't know how it was treated prior to my daughter getting it (e.g. if the previous owner let the coolant run very low).

    My daughter's spoken to Ford, who said take it into the local dealer (we'll have to get it towed there) and pay for a diagnosis. Then they will consider it.

    What do you think the chances are of Ford paying for the repair?
    If Ford refuse to cover the repair costs, it is worth pursueing this?

    Thanks

    Tim
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    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 7th Aug 18, 1:14 PM
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    Someone posted on the FB page a report from an Australian turbo specialist. They reported that there was a fundamental problem with this engine that means it's under large amounts of stress and heat under normal operation. The coolant was literally boiling all the time in the engine while the radiator was cold.

    They made some basic sounding modifications with re-routing hoses and a sensor, and the engine temperature fell dramatically while the radiator began absorbing heat normally.

    Anyone who has one of these cars maybe they can (safely) check the temperature of their rad after a long drive and see whether it's heated up at all.

    From the moment I had one of these in a hire car and popped the bonnet to have a look at it I became suspicious. It's meant to be cheap to run for the customer, but looking at the diminutive little engine in front of me I suspected the main reason for it's existence is that it's cheap to manufacture for Ford.

    It was neither very fast to drive nor especially economical.

    I think Ford doesn't think these ICEs have a particularly long shelf life before everyone goes electric and the customer is being lumbered with a not that well thought through stop gap.
    • TickersPlaysPop
    • By TickersPlaysPop 7th Aug 18, 7:25 PM
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    The Australian post is quite informative, as are the knowledgable car engineers that form the facebook group. It suggests at the fundamental design flaws in the engine. A recall was issued in Jan 201i8 as a safety recall for the 1.6's where there was a fire risk due a seal failing. That recall significantly changes the coolant system rooting.

    But, Ford still have not publically admitted the 1.0 litre issue and have not recalled it. Instead they force people through a protracted process of fighting for assistance with the £6000 bill and then 6+ weeks waiting for it to be fixed. There was a recall issued yrs ago for the degas hose on 1.0 litres and many cars have still not been processed in even this past year. But loss of coolant from any part of numerous weak points can swiftly lead to engine damage and need for replacememt.

    Modifying the engine as per Australian directions is not advisable if you want a chance of a good will contribution from Ford. i.e. almost writing off the car which will soon be the case as the value of them drops due to the media coverage. In about a yr there might be many 6 yr old cars being scrapped due to huge repair costs.
    Last edited by TickersPlaysPop; 07-08-2018 at 7:35 PM.
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    • musty
    • By musty 7th Aug 18, 7:29 PM
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    Ford C-Cmax 1.0 Ecoboost
    Tim - did you get Ford to pay 100% for the repair? I have set up a page specifically for this problem and have helped hundreds get full contribution from Ford. Its scandalous that they are not recalling these vehicles...
    Originally posted by locomomojojo

    Hi
    My son had the same problem. The coolant pipe failed and the car requires a new engine. Ford are playing hard. Where can I find the page and how can benefit from your help? Thanks
    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 7th Aug 18, 7:30 PM
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    Ford are well aware that there is a design flaw with this engine, if they aren't going to do a recall they could at least stand behind it when it's out of warranty.
    • musty
    • By musty 7th Aug 18, 7:35 PM
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    'Ford Focus Ecoboost 1.0L Turbo Zetec Faulty Coolant Pipe Engine Head Gasket'
    Done For anyone else the group is called

    'Ford Focus Ecoboost 1.0L Turbo Zetec Faulty Coolant Pipe Engine Head Gasket'
    Originally posted by locomomojojo



    How do I find the group? Thanks
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 7th Aug 18, 7:55 PM
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    How do I find the group? Thanks
    Originally posted by musty
    https://m.facebook.com/groups/1738834536386432?notif_t=like&notif_id=14785340819 81100&ref=m_notif
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    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 7th Aug 18, 7:58 PM
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    http://bfy.tw/JJ0G

    P1 of the thread.
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    • TickersPlaysPop
    • By TickersPlaysPop 7th Aug 18, 10:50 PM
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    How do I find the group? Thanks
    Originally posted by musty
    The Facebook group changed name around May this year. It has been going for over 2 yrs now.

    It is now called "Ford Ecoboost Nightmare", and is an open group so you can see all posts without being a member of it.

    Also, the group legal action for a long term way of getting compensation for losses...

    See http://www.roscoereid.com/ford-ecoboost-engines/
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    • Bedhead1157
    • By Bedhead1157 8th Aug 18, 7:57 PM
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    I'd certainly be interested in a bigger petrol turbo (from a different manufacturer) as I think the technology is a great idea, but Iíd steer clear of a 1.0 pulling a car the size of a Focus.

    Incidentally this has also been a problem for 1.2 litre turbo petrol Qashqais. The small turbo engines are being thrashed pulling the weight of these cars.
    Originally posted by Arklight
    The missus is looking at buying a Karoq, the 1.0 with the 7 speed DSG box, she thinks its just the same engine as her Citigo, in fact it's nearly double the power hauling a bigger car.

    I have a 110 bhp Fabia TSI, we plugged some diagnostic gear into the ODB port and it's boosting to 11psi, much less than the Ecoboosts are. They don't make my engine any more because the 1.0 is cheaper to make, but that 1.2 is superb, smooth and economical.

    I'm old enough to remember when turbos were marketed as giving big engine performance with small engine economy, which is fine in something like a 2 litre, but when you have wee engines hauling about cars that are pretty big and it has to boost all the time, then you will always have problems. It maybe would be fine in a big cast iron engine, but lightweight alloy engines will be a different kettle of fish.

    Chap I used to work with has had a couple of Ecoboost Focus (Focii?) he doesn't do big miles, 200 a month at most, but he has been very disappointed in them, he's getting sub 40 mpg and he's a pretty slow driver, he was running TDCi Mondeos before that but the dealer told him he was wasting his time because he didn't do enough miles.
    • TickersPlaysPop
    • By TickersPlaysPop 20th Aug 18, 7:35 PM
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    Now at 1061 registration plate numbers.

    To see full reg' list.... and instructions of how to have a chance of 100% free engine from Ford... even when out of warranty... see the post in 'announcements' section:

    https://www.facebook.com

    Group name: FordEcoboostNightmare
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    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 20th Aug 18, 7:53 PM
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    There’s a class action suit brewing in the US. Ford have really ducked up with these engines.
    • TickersPlaysPop
    • By TickersPlaysPop 21st Aug 18, 12:55 PM
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    Thereís a class action suit brewing in the US. Ford have really ducked up with these engines.
    Originally posted by Arklight
    What class action is that in USA?

    There is an open group action in the UK over Ecoboost issues, that people can register an interest in... with no commitment...

    http://www.roscoereid.com/press/multi-million-pound-ecoboost-engine-compensation-claim-launched-ford/
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    • TickersPlaysPop
    • By TickersPlaysPop 22nd Aug 18, 12:50 PM
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    Now at 1100 registration plate numbers, with 150 cases in the last month.

    Each engine failure at Ford's prices means a bill of ~£6000, in cars worth around £8000, with many people tied into finance agreements.

    BBC to run national programmes on prime time TV, each tailored to each region with interviews of those affected from all different UK regions. BBC1 Inside Out, 1st October 7.30pm

    To see full reg' list.... and instructions of how to have a chance of 100% free engine from Ford... even when out of warranty... see the post in 'announcements' section of the publicly open FaceBook group:

    https://www.facebook.com

    Group name: FordEcoboostNightmare
    Last edited by TickersPlaysPop; 22-08-2018 at 12:53 PM.
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    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 22nd Aug 18, 1:05 PM
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    If you search Ford Ecoboost, it now suggests Ecoboost problems and Ecoboost engine failure as suggested searches. There's 1100 known failures, but that doesn't mean others haven't failed that are yet to be diagnosed.... I suspect the numbers will continue to rise rapidly.

    Is it related to the turbo? I've not really read up on these engines yet.
    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 22nd Aug 18, 2:25 PM
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    If you search Ford Ecoboost, it now suggests Ecoboost problems and Ecoboost engine failure as suggested searches. There's 1100 known failures, but that doesn't mean others haven't failed that are yet to be diagnosed.... I suspect the numbers will continue to rise rapidly.

    Is it related to the turbo? I've not really read up on these engines yet.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    It's supposed to be related to the degas coolant hose breaking. But there are so many people who have had theirs fixed or recalled who still went on to suffer complete engine failure that that looks more like a symptom than a cause.

    It seems like a badly designed, overburdened small engine, dragging a mid size car around, and eventually giving out. I came within a whisker of buying one myself but only after an argument with Mrs Arklight where she was adamant that we should get a Japanese car, that I gave up on it.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 22nd Aug 18, 3:49 PM
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    Is it related to the turbo? I've not really read up on these engines yet.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    There appear to be a number of issues with the degas hose rupturing one of the main causes. Lack of coolant sensor means there is no warning when the coolant loss happens. As it's an alloy engine working at very high temperatures it wrecks the head and block thus necessitating a new engine.
    If you look at the posts on FB though there are a number of different issues but basically they all cause the engine to overheat.
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    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 22nd Aug 18, 3:53 PM
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    It's supposed to be related to the degas coolant hose breaking. But there are so many people who have had theirs fixed or recalled who still went on to suffer complete engine failure that that looks more like a symptom than a cause.

    It seems like a badly designed, overburdened small engine, dragging a mid size car around, and eventually giving out. I came within a whisker of buying one myself but only after an argument with Mrs Arklight where she was adamant that we should get a Japanese car, that I gave up on it.
    Originally posted by Arklight
    This is something that has been concerning me for years and I discussed with an engineer, at length, a few years back. It was one of those things, I felt, we wouldn't know for at least 10 years, but I'm starting to think we might be knowing even earlier.

    Years ago, a manufacturer would usually design a car to suit a target market, and then tailor the engines to suit the vehicle based on target market, size, handling characteristics etc. To me, this is the right way of thinking about it.....

    That has seemingly changed at big car manufacturers HQ's. I feel the shift in priorities towards getting economy has resulted in manufacturers designing engines and then shoe horning them to work in any car they can, probably so they can produce low tax options. I came to this conclusion after Ford released the 2012 Focus with a 1.0 engine that produced 125 bhp.........

    That is all wrong. Firstly, no car the size of a Focus should have an engine that small. Secondly, a 1 litre engine shouldn't be rated at 125BHP.

    Obviously those figures were achieved with the help of forced induction and it was this that was really concerning me. Loading these cars with small engines with turbos just screamed engine failure a few years down the line. I figured it would be the turbos that went pop, but maybe it's something else? Not good though, not good at all.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 22nd Aug 18, 4:18 PM
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    That is all wrong. Firstly, no car the size of a Focus should have an engine that small. Secondly, a 1 litre engine shouldn't be rated at 125BHP.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    How about 202bhp?

    https://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus/12720/ford-ecoboost-racer-sets-ring-time
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    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 23rd Aug 18, 9:45 AM
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    That isn't really a road car though is it? That's a bit like a one off.... Formula 1 teams etc strip engines all the time, but most road going cars never have their engine taken apart, so they need to last.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 23rd Aug 18, 10:02 AM
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    That isn't really a road car though is it? That's a bit like a one off.... Formula 1 teams etc strip engines all the time, but most road going cars never have their engine taken apart, so they need to last.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    Yes I understand that. It was a tongue in cheek post though.

    But the thing is they use these as development issues
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