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    • slicfm
    • By slicfm 23rd Feb 17, 9:24 PM
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    VCS BW Legal JLA PCN
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    • 23rd Feb 17, 9:24 PM
    VCS BW Legal JLA PCN 23rd Feb 17 at 9:24 PM
    Hi all,

    Just thought that i would share my experiences with this shower of muppets. Received a PCN back in August last year after our car had stopped (after taking a wrong turn) on double red lines at JLA in Liverpool. I sent in a standard appeal letter as commonly seen on these forums. As expected the appeal was rejected by VCS. Last month received a letter from BW Legal demanding payment and threatening court action. I responded with a straight to the point letter stating that the debt is disputed and that I have no intention of paying and will only respond to letters received from a court.

    BW Legal next letter received today and states that they have noted my position and will now seek their clients instructions on initiating court proceedings.

    I am right in reading that this lot have never taken a PCN at JLA case to court so far?

    Cheers
    Last edited by slicfm; 23-02-2017 at 9:39 PM.
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 23rd Feb 17, 9:28 PM
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    • 23rd Feb 17, 9:28 PM
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    • 23rd Feb 17, 9:28 PM
    AFAIK they havent tried court yet, plus on pepipoo there is a fighting fund for if one actually appears, plus many useful threads about JLA matters too

    its a case of keep rebutting , keep waiting , see if VCS are stupid enough to take one to court
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Grimble
    • By Grimble 24th Feb 17, 2:34 PM
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    • 24th Feb 17, 2:34 PM
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    • 24th Feb 17, 2:34 PM
    If they try, you could always counterclaim for £250 for DPA breech, it would have to go to court then.
    • slicfm
    • By slicfm 21st Jul 18, 2:07 PM
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    • #4
    • 21st Jul 18, 2:07 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 2:07 PM
    Hi all, 2 years into this now and a letter arrived this morning from dcbl bailiffs stating that they have been passed the debt by VCS. I have 14 days to pay the amount or the case will be reviewed for legal recovery.

    The bottom of the letter states "this case is not subject to high court or bailiff action".

    Probably just trying to scare me into paying. Still no cases from VCS relating to JLA gone to court yet.

    Cheers
    Slicfm
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 21st Jul 18, 4:14 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:14 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:14 PM
    dcbl do sometimes act as debt crawlers ... I suspect this is one .....



    have a read of the link below ....



    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=116961&st=480&gopid=1370083!!! entry1370083


    if it does not work then do a search on pepipoo



    Ralph
    • kryten3000
    • By kryten3000 21st Jul 18, 4:15 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:15 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:15 PM
    "this case is not subject to high court or bailiff action"

    Means that you've got a begging letter from the unregulated part of DCBL. This is no different to DRP, Trace, ZZPS or any of the other unregulated companies and can be ignored.

    The difference is DCBL are relying on their reputation as High Court Enforcement Agents (as seen on TV) and are hoping you won't know the difference.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 21st Jul 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:20 PM
    seems to be a few of these cropping up recently, so clearly the PPC and B W LEGAL are passing these on to DCBL and hoping people have seen the tv programme yet are dumb enough to not realise that on the programme they have a high court writ, whereas in these cases they are merely acting as debt collectors and powerless
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 21st Jul 18, 4:45 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:45 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 4:45 PM
    and as such needs to be shown to MP's ...


    so I hope after reading / watching the below that the OP will write to his/her MP


    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    and slightly longer, the committee stage

    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d5550515-cce9-4185-83ec-754dadb7524a

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

    and some quotes from the committe stage

    "The other area is hospital parking, and I want to single out one company for some pretty shady practices. That is ParkingEye" " is very clear to me that there is collusion between parking companies and solicitors’ firms—so-called roboclaims companies. " "They are often set up adjacently and involve the same directors and personnel. Incidentally, the same personnel get involved in the so-called appeals bodies." "Essentially, it is a money-making enterprise that takes advantage of motorists up and down the country. They operate in a very business-like fashion, which is why I call them roboclaims companies." "The companies are jamming up parts of our legal system." “I now pretty much know exactly how the parking companies and in particular the IPC have been running this scam for the past 5 years. Basically both of the appeals processes are a complete and utter sham, (and part of that sham is Gladstones Solicitors itself)” "The appeals process at Excel/VCS is run by a team of minimum wage office workers with no legal knowledge or experience whatsoever," " It is claimed by the head of the appeals service (retired Judge Bryn Holloway) that this is a completely independent fair process, it is not” "The letter mentions two individuals—Will Hurley and Bryn Holloway—and concludes this is a typical example of the clear collusion between the IPC, their members and the IAS" "what we can do about roboclaims companies and solicitors firms that profit, often in shady ways" " the very large amounts of money that can be involved in such scams—a company called Smart Parking was involved in one such scam on my patch" "tightening up the rules regarding the unfair use of automatic number plate recognition" "BW Legal, regularly issues 10,000 county court judgments a month, and is known to have issued 28,000 in one month" "They are jamming up our court system, and are often totally unjustified." " because the lifeblood of trying to extort money from people is having access to their details."

    All from Parking (Code of Practice) Bill (First sitting) Hansard




    Ralph
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 21st Jul 18, 5:00 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 5:00 PM
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    • 21st Jul 18, 5:00 PM
    Still no cases from VCS relating to JLA gone to court yet.
    Yes there are a couple of claims in the offing, on pepipoo (no hearing yet AFAIK).
    • slicfm
    • By slicfm 21st Jul 18, 6:05 PM
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    Seen their TV programme many times. Thanks for the info, much appreciated
    • twhitehousescat
    • By twhitehousescat 21st Jul 18, 6:21 PM
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    Seen their TV programme many times. Thanks for the info, much appreciated
    Originally posted by slicfm
    if P bowhill knocks on your door , chin him from me

    creepy muppet
    Time pretending I was asleep whilst under his desk , has given me insight to this sordid world
    • slicfm
    • By slicfm 22nd Jul 18, 9:57 PM
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    • slicfm
    • By slicfm 11th Aug 18, 5:32 PM
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    Hi all,

    Another letter received from dcbl entitled Legal Recovery Action, the letter states as we have not paid or contacted them to discuss they have now recommended to their client the commencement of legal action. Goes on to say, However the granting of judgments is at the discretion of the courts.

    I will wait and see what comes next.
    Last edited by slicfm; 11-08-2018 at 5:34 PM. Reason: Typo
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 11th Aug 18, 5:36 PM
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    As Ralph y suggests, bother your MP

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the House of Commons recently

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41 recently.

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 11th Aug 18, 5:37 PM
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    Quentin

    Another letter received from dcbl entitled Legal Recovery Action, the letter states !!!8230;!!!8230;..
    Originally posted by slicfm

    Please see this thread regarding debt collectors letters and why we don't need posts every time anyone gets one:


    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5035663
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