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    • Jonamora
    • By Jonamora 24th Jan 17, 4:11 PM
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    Electric cars
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    • 24th Jan 17, 4:11 PM
    Electric cars 24th Jan 17 at 4:11 PM
    Just wanted people's opinions on buying an electric car?

    Before long all cars will be electric and therfore is it best to sell petrol car at full value and invest in electric car.

    I don't want to start a new finance deals for 4 years and be complete but then left with and cat nobody wants or has resale value because all are electric.....thoughts

    Jonathan
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    • DrEskimo
    • By DrEskimo 16th May 19, 10:57 AM
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    How many parking spaces are there in total in the car park, and how many chargers?


    So having an electric vehicle means you're now driving more urban miles?
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    No idea, around 80-100, and only 1 space is designated as EV parking with 1 dual socket charger. Used to be dual 7kW, but recently one socket was downgraded to 3.6kW.

    Yes, around 0.6miles extra per week. Although I was known to be lazy on the odd occasion and use my OH petrol Mini...
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 16th May 19, 11:04 AM
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    zeupater
    How many parking spaces are there in total in the car park, and how many chargers?


    So having an electric vehicle means you're now driving more urban miles?
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Hi

    Your point being? ....

    There were fewer EVs on the road last week than this, just as there were fewer public chargers ... isn't it just a standard case of supply & demand, with DrEskimo just creating a little more demand?

    ... as for additional urban miles, if it's walking distance then there probably aren't many racked up & being by EV the emissions are irrelevant .... some in more rural areas still rack up miles within towns because they have no option other than to drive - if this is done with an ICE vehicle then just think of the additional energy consumed and the exhaust emissions that are left behind in population centres for others to 'enjoy' at their leisure, particularly those attempting to exercise close to their homes ....

    Don't you just love hypocrisy! ...

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • almillar
    • By almillar 16th May 19, 11:51 AM
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    The problem with that is people who have home charging will be paying a hell of a lot less than those who don't for the electricity. So people who don't have a driveway, the people who probably have lower incomes, will be paying the most
    Rapid charging is more expensive, 'slower' (22kW and below, let's say) will be cheaper, and possibly free. 22kW and below chargers are AC, and significantly cheaper than the rapids, and are often in places companies want you to visit. A few hours a week at these could be sufficient. Or, you know, visit a petrol station and see what direction those costs go.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 16th May 19, 9:40 PM
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    Hi

    Your point being? ....
    Originally posted by zeupater

    It's AdrianC. I think that is sufficient explanation..
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 18th May 19, 10:32 AM
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    My head still hurts, but this article makes for fun reading(?) showing that the Volkswagen Group is still falsifying data, though on this occasion it seems to be down to incompetence (not conspiracy).

    Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron

    Matthew Mostafaei, Audiís manager for e-tron, presented data taken from Twitter during the New York Auto Show without naming the source. (Thatís plagiarism.) The data was misrepresented by plotting it on a different axis. (Thatís a falsification.) He then used the data to show the e-tronís charging superiority over the Model 3, when it actually proves the opposite. (Thatís deception.) You may call this good marketing. I call it a brazen lie. At best, it is a highly misleading accident.
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    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 18th May 19, 3:49 PM
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    zeupater
    My head still hurts, but this article makes for fun reading(?) showing that the Volkswagen Group is still falsifying data, though on this occasion it seems to be down to incompetence (not conspiracy).

    Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Hi

    Don't you just love the application of forensic logic ....

    Heads should be spinning in disbelief in Wolfsburg - all of the positive signs of turning the corner of enlightenment towards EVs in order to regain corporate trust and the culture of spinning the truth rebounds so easily ... I'm pretty certain that this one will keep surfacing on a regular basis whenever VAG badged EVs are being compared to alternatives ....

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • gfplux
    • By gfplux 19th May 19, 7:36 AM
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    Further news from Volkswagen

    https://www.electrive.com/2019/05/17/vw-to-manufacture-small-electric-car-in-eastern-europe/

    Less than €20,000 sounds very interesting.
    There will be no Brexit dividend. "Brexit Blight of Uncertainty" sums it all up.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 19th May 19, 7:40 AM
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    We have just had two charging points installed at work. I am keen to see who gets an electric car first to use them.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
    • Kentish Dave
    • By Kentish Dave 19th May 19, 10:24 AM
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    The problem with that is people who have home charging will be paying a hell of a lot less than those who don't for the electricity. So people who don't have a driveway, the people who probably have lower incomes, will be paying the most.

    They could possibly fix it by having some system that billed public charging to your home bill.
    Originally posted by mojo1
    I donít see why thatís a problem.

    Iím working in Amsterdam at the moment, and using the Car2go scheme which lets you rent electric ForTwo cars by the minute. You pick them up on the street, park them where you want afterwards, and get a credit on your account if you charge them up when they are low.

    Itís brilliant, very convenient, cheap, and there are charging points all over the place. They are genuinely fun to drive too.

    Iíve a Tesla Model S arriving next month and am really excited about it.
    • Kentish Dave
    • By Kentish Dave 19th May 19, 10:28 AM
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    Justify it however you want, the reality is the poorest in society today pay more to survive/live than those more fortunate both relatively and absolutely.

    EV charging is another way those who have the least will be charged the most.
    Originally posted by gzoom
    Thatís simply not true.

    The poorest people pay no tax, receive large benefits, get child benefit, help with childcare costs, get subsidised housing and so on and so forth.

    The wealthier people pay for everything themselves, in full, are expected to give up nearly half of all that they earn to support the rest of society, and will tend to have far larger housing and commuting costs as their high-paying jobs tend to be in the middle of expensive cities.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 19th May 19, 10:28 PM
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    Well, at least it gives wealthier people something to moan about, as to hear some of them they don't seem to appreciate that they can afford more.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 20th May 19, 11:14 AM
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    Practically no specifics, but a small $10k BEV.

    Bolt Mobility Unveils $9,999 Electric Car Designed For Car-Sharing In Cities
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 20th May 19, 11:29 AM
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    "Sleb reinvents G-Wiz, Autolib' - and infringes two brands in the process"
    • Kentish Dave
    • By Kentish Dave 20th May 19, 11:25 PM
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    Well, at least it gives wealthier people something to moan about, as to hear some of them they don't seem to appreciate that they can afford more.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    I donít know any well-off people who moan about what they pay in, but plenty will shake their heads in disbelief at the bleating from people who are subsidised from the day they are born until the day that they die.

    U.K. society is heavily redistributive, and this is how it should be, those with the broadest shoulders support those less able to support themselves. Itís just a mystery as to why those who are net receivers seem able to convince themselves that they are being robbed along the way.
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