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    • TheLegendaryN
    • By TheLegendaryN 12th Jan 17, 2:06 PM
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    TheLegendaryN
    I am an idiot and now I have a ZZPS after me
    • #1
    • 12th Jan 17, 2:06 PM
    I am an idiot and now I have a ZZPS after me 12th Jan 17 at 2:06 PM
    Hi,

    I parked for an hour in a private car park on a Saturday. The car park belongs to an insurance broker in Leicester. As the car park was empty I thought I could park there and get away with it. I come back to find a PCN on my windscreen which wanted me to pay £120 for parking without a permit in an empty car park. The PCN was from Comprehensive Management Services LTD (CMS), who are part of IPC.

    I looked up online, and I noticed that I might be able to argue on the defence of Unfair terms. I sent them a letter a few days later, explaining why it was silly to charge me £120 and I attached a £10 cheque for compensation.

    The cheque was cashed in a few days after I sent them my appeal letter. However, after a month I received the PCN. I receive a NTK without the company acknowledging my appeal letter.

    I took a picture of the cheque before I sent it, and the exact cheque number can be seen on my bank statement. I sent them the proof that money was taken from my account as well as a copy of the the cheque I sent them, and a copy of my bank statement. I explained in the letter, that the £10 you took acted as a settlement, and they might have had a technical error.

    Again this letter was ignored. On 3rd January 2017 (Letter dated 30 Dec 2016), I received a letter from ZZPS, asking to pay them £172. The letter was not a LBC letter, but a letter asking me to pay the charges. The letter also mentioned that ParkingEye vs Beavis, allowed a parking charge in private land enforceable and it does not breach unfair terms.

    What do I do?
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    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 6th Mar 17, 8:48 AM
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    DoaM
    In my letter I did not write I am the driver.
    Originally posted by TheLegendaryN
    ...Yes you did...
    I simply wrote, "I parked my car".
    Originally posted by TheLegendaryN
    You told them you were the driver.

    Tenuously, you could have been a passenger but took the action of parking the car. That action would still mean you were the driver as far as any contractual claim is concerned.
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
    Entries of confusion
    Dear diary, I'm here to stay
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 6th Mar 17, 8:52 AM
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    fisherjim
    "I parked my car" = I was the driver I'm afraid!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 6th Mar 17, 8:55 AM
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    Umkomaas
    Schoolboy error. I, I, I ....
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • TheLegendaryN
    • By TheLegendaryN 6th Mar 17, 11:19 AM
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    Hmmm, I guess I did tell them I am the driver. I'm going to wait for the court letters, and I'll see if they're pursuing me as the keeper or the driver
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 6th Mar 17, 12:13 PM
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    beamerguy
    Thank you all for your quick and useful advice. I will continue to ignore all letters until I get court letters.

    Regarding the £10 I paid to them, they have cashed it in. I believe they are acting like they have never recieved the payment. In my letter I did not write I am the driver. I simply wrote, "I parked my car".

    After they cashed in my cheque, they sent me a letter as the owner (dvla acquired info). I replied to that letter telling them that there was a tech error and we settled this with £10. Two months later (a month ago) they replied to that letter, saying that the time for appeal is too late and they've instructed zzps to handle the case. Note: I sent the tech error letter the day after I received the NTK letter

    I belive I do have a strong case if this does go to court.

    Thanks once again everyone
    Originally posted by TheLegendaryN
    By saying "I parked my car" is the same as saying you were the driver.

    If this has been settled for £10 and they cashed your cheque then they have accepted this.

    FORGET THE SWEAR WORD ... ZZPS .... They are just another bunch of low pond life which you can ignore
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Santa12
    • By Santa12 7th Mar 17, 10:22 PM
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    Threatening Letters
    Hi guys, I have been in the same situation. I have to getting quite a lot of letters from the solicitors Hansell and Wright that they would take me to court if I didnt pay the money. I have asked many people who have advised me to ignore the letters which I have been doing but now Im getting really worried about what to do ??
    I have read on the internet but not sure what to do now. Someone HELP PLZZZZ.............
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 7th Mar 17, 10:24 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    I have to getting quite a lot of letters from the solicitors Hansell and Wright
    That's odd, ZZPS normally use Wright Hassall letter-heading! Maybe they ran out. Why not search Google for 'BMPA Wright Hassall' and read the BMPA advice.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • Mconcar
    • By Mconcar 10th Apr 18, 9:49 AM
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    Hi all
    Iíve also just been sent a letter from ZZPS.
    I parked in a permit area of a public car park by mistake.
    I paid and displayed a valid ticket for the car park, however the floor I was on was not valid as itís reserved for permits only!!!128580;
    I argued the ticket as the only signage is on the roof of the parking level and on a sign near the exit lifts! Not on the bay!
    They rejected my appeal and have now passed the fine to ZZPS and it is now £160 (originally £100)
    If I donít pay within 7 days of the letter they will start legal proceedings!
    What should I do ?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th Apr 18, 9:55 AM
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    Quentin
    Apart from sending you to read up on this in the Newbies FAQ thread no-one will advise you when you hijack someone else's thread like this

    Delete your post above, go to the FAQs and if you need to then post in the original thread you started over this issue
    Last edited by Quentin; 10-04-2018 at 9:59 AM.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 10th Apr 18, 10:27 AM
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    The OP may want to read "Pinnel's" case from 1602 and decide if they want to continue asking questions.

    It is never a good idea to part-pay in the same way it is not a good idea part paying and simultaneously revealing who was driving.
    Last edited by IamEmanresu; 10-04-2018 at 10:29 AM.
    If you want to win - avoid losing first. Here are a few examples
    1. Failing to Acknowledge or Defend https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5760415
    2. Template defences that say nothing https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5818671&page=5#86
    3. Forgetting about the Witness Statement
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th Apr 18, 10:28 AM
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    beamerguy
    Mconcar

    As said above START YOUR OWN THREAD

    Then you will discover why ZZPS is just a load
    of old junk
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • TheLegendaryN
    • By TheLegendaryN 10th Apr 18, 11:51 AM
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    Haha don't pay, Let them carry on sending letters. It's empty threat's. Only respond when you get a court letter
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 10th Apr 18, 1:48 PM
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    IamEmanresu
    Haha don't pay, Let them carry on sending letters. It's empty threat's. Only respond when you get a court letter
    Are you giving yourself advice or are you confused about who you are?
    If you want to win - avoid losing first. Here are a few examples
    1. Failing to Acknowledge or Defend https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5760415
    2. Template defences that say nothing https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5818671&page=5#86
    3. Forgetting about the Witness Statement
    • Alastair Brown
    • By Alastair Brown 21st May 18, 8:12 PM
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    Ignore ZZPS. I get these all the time. If they want money they can sue.
    ALastair
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 21st May 18, 8:17 PM
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    Umkomaas
    Ignore ZZPS. I get these all the time. If they want money they can sue.
    ALastair
    Originally posted by Alastair Brown
    Why are you resurrecting old threads?
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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