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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 13th Dec 16, 6:50 PM
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    Cat B car back on the road and for sale?
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    • 13th Dec 16, 6:50 PM
    Cat B car back on the road and for sale? 13th Dec 16 at 6:50 PM
    I'm looking at a motor trade site from one of the big dealer groups and theres an Audi for sale on there with a marker on the V5C of "Damage:Recorded against VIN and VRM, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX 2011, Category B Insurance Loss. Bodyshell Should Have Been Crushed Vehicle Should Not Be On The Road"

    The car has a current MOT running to next May.

    It looks like its going to go ridiculously cheap as the motor trade seem afraid of it

    Retail price of the car in question is around 7000 and trade on it is around 4000. It looks like under 2K would own it.

    Potential bargain or run a mile?
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 14th Dec 16, 1:27 PM
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    [QUOTE=facade;71767885]If sewage has got into the box sections, short of stripping the bodyshell bare and immersing in a suitable disinfectant, you will never get it out.
    QUOTE]



    The group selling it are hugely up front about any issues they find with the car (they funnel cars out to the trade from other dealers within their group) and they've not listed any smells present in the car.


    A couple of trade men have submitted bids. Its currently sitting at 1500 with a couple of hours to go. I think it'll go for around 1500 to 1800.


    I'm tempted to stick in a bid but as has been pointed out its most likely going to be a horror story to try and insure and if you did have to subsequently sell it on as salvage a 1800 "gamble" could turn in to a 300 breaker....


    I suspect the trade men bidding know at worst they could use it as a runner and drive it via their trade insurance, so not such a risk for them...
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 14th Dec 16, 1:29 PM
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    Only if it was a rare model like an early Quattro?
    Originally posted by NBLondon


    And this one isn't.


    The only rarity factor is that its the 2.0 TFSI engine variant (the Golf GTI engine), an Avant and S Line trim.


    Not in the league of a Quattro, no.....
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • JP08
    • By JP08 14th Dec 16, 1:44 PM
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    They even have brand new shells for an MGB.... posing the question, why? Terrible ugly car ...
    Originally posted by Stoke
    Aww, this ain't ugly : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C816736

    This is a bit, but can be sorted : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C819141 - blame the yanks (they also had to up the ride height which had a lot to do with the handling, or was that just the Midgets ?)

    Now this is ugly : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C815305

    And this is ugly : http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C813052 or http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C811057 ... but strangely I really like them for the clever bits (the doors and windows things) ... but not enough to actually own one.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 14th Dec 16, 2:33 PM
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    Didn't they put wooden blocks under the suspension to fix the ride height
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 14th Dec 16, 2:48 PM
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    The V8 MG is the one to go for. Some modern springs and shocks and poly bushes (soft road ones not solid race ones) will improve matters.

    As a weekend fun car they are cheap, unless like me you buy one for 600 and spend 1500 bringing it upto scratch and then sell it for 1000.
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    • JP08
    • By JP08 14th Dec 16, 3:05 PM
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    No wooden blocks, metal ones (at the front anyhow - and some longer springs).

    But nothing wrong with a bit of quality carpentry under the car - ask Marcos (who did it properly, unlike Morgan who just hang bits of metal on a wood frame).

    http://www.italian.sakura.ne.jp/bad_toys/plywood_monocoque/image/buildjig5.jpg

    https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hsx/2015/04/Plywood-and-Pluck---1965-Marcos-1800-GT/3748428.html
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 14th Dec 16, 5:34 PM
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    I missed the end of the auction because i was in a meeting. I'd estimate it made 1500-1800 based on the bidding before that.

    Felt it was too much of a risk to get a new v5c in my name and to get it insured to get involved.

    Thanks for all inputs here. Much appreciated
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • Motorextreme
    • By Motorextreme 9th Aug 18, 1:03 PM
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    The Law regarding Cat B versus Opinion.
    As a motor dealer of repute with over 35 years in the business, and at the top end of the scale i say this, Joe Horner is indeed correct, the codes for Cat B are indeed voluntary between insurers, and D.V.L.A. and their is "no written law" to say a Category B vehicle cannot be returned to the road, the reason so very few actually are is because they are usually so extensively damaged and regular every day vehicles that it is simply not worth the cost or time to reinstate. However ..... in the case of say a Top of the range Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche etc: the very value of the vehicle itself may deem it to be worth repairing to the highest of standards, indeed as i write this in August 2018, a 2012 new generation Porsche 911 Carrera is being advertised on Ebay motoring for 30,000 (over half the price cheaper than a non damage example) and is Insured, Taxed, and MOT'd and being used daily .... I am always amazed at so called "online" experts who pass on heresay information without actually checking the legality of such facts, whether you agree or not is immaterial, You CAN, should you so desire return a Cat B to the road, and yes, Adrian Flux WILL i insure it, none of it will be completely straight forward as so few people really understand the law surrounding this process, but the question started out as as "Can You return a Cat B to the road " .....well the real answer if you want to be completely within the law, but outside of most people's comprehension as to why you would ? ....is a Yes.....half price Porsche anyone ?
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 9th Aug 18, 2:05 PM
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    I missed the end of the auction because i was in a meeting. I'd estimate it made 1500-1800 based on the bidding before that.

    Felt it was too much of a risk to get a new v5c in my name and to get it insured to get involved.

    Thanks for all inputs here. Much appreciated
    Originally posted by motorguy

    Since this has been dredged up. Any idea what happened to it?
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 15th Aug 18, 8:34 AM
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    Since this has been dredged up. Any idea what happened to it?
    Originally posted by Herzlos
    Yes, surprised to see it resurrected after all this time.

    No, not sure. I kept an eye out for it on gumtree, autotrader, etc but it never surfaced again.

    I have the reg of it somewhere from the original email alert, must look it up and see if its on the road...
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • facade
    • By facade 15th Aug 18, 10:12 AM
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    I have the reg of it somewhere from the original email alert, must look it up and see if its on the road...
    Originally posted by motorguy

    A check of the MOT history might be interesting.
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • westernpromise
    • By westernpromise 15th Aug 18, 10:13 AM
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    As it's an Audi it's probably been crashed 5 or 6 more times by now.
    • facade
    • By facade 15th Aug 18, 10:24 AM
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    As it's an Audi it's probably been crashed 5 or 6 more times by now.
    Originally posted by westernpromise

    Audi drivers don't crash very often. They see lots of accidents though.........
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 15th Aug 18, 12:43 PM
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    A check of the MOT history might be interesting.
    Originally posted by facade
    I cant do an MOT history check because its registered here in NI.

    BUT its just went through MOT on the 23rd July there and has been on the road up to that point (tax expired 31st July 18)
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 15th Aug 18, 12:46 PM
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    As it's an Audi it's probably been crashed 5 or 6 more times by now.
    Originally posted by westernpromise
    Probably driven in to by a Honda driver on cruise control.

    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • Geodark
    • By Geodark 15th Aug 18, 12:51 PM
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    You'd face three problems buying it.

    The first is insuring it - Flux will consider them but options are going to be very limited unless you self-insure.

    The second - and more important - is satisfying yourself that whatever repairs were needed have been done properly.

    Finally, since they removed the need for VIC checks in Oct '15, you'd also need to be satisfied that it isn't a ringer. Given what proper repair of a cat B is likely to entail, poor repair or ringing are both real possibilities.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Have they really got rid of VIC? I didnt know that. In that case, as you said, surely the makes it easier to get rid of ringers?

    And no, I didnt check the date on the posts and hadn't realised that it was a resurrected thread haha.
    Last edited by Geodark; 15-08-2018 at 12:55 PM.
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