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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
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    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying
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    • 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying 9th Nov 16 at 5:00 PM
    Hi,

    I'm not sure if there is a thread which covers this already but I am a vegan who tries to consume as ethically as possible and wondered if there is anyone else out there trying to do the same thing in as much of a money saving way as possible!??

    I have recently had an increase in income and have therefore decided that from this day forward I will no longer purchase anything from any organisation that doesn't produce their goods ethically. It means that I will no longer use supermarkets; will either buy fresh products from a local organic box scheme or local organic producers; toiletries, household products and dry/tinned goods will be from a wholesale cooperative or a local health food shop.

    Tomorrow I will look at a greener energy provider- I can't afford solar panels at the moment but I can look at renewable electricity suppliers. I already bank with an ethical bank and am basing all my choices on ratings via the ethical consumer website.

    I know that this isn't going to be easy, not using any mainstream shops is going to take a lot of planning but I think its worth doing and hope that I'm not alone!!
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 23rd Jul 18, 9:21 AM
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    Lots of lovely food made yesterday....roasted peppers stuffed with tomato, basil, red onion, black olives and vegan feta; bloomed wild rice with green beans in a lemongrass dressing and a melon, pomegranate and orange salad...nomnom!!

    I've got a menu plan for the week - I had some tomatoes left over so I put a chilli together and there is enough of today's food to have some leftovers for lunch so I'm pretty sorted now....

    I've got someone coming this week to pick up bookcases (I'm giving them away but at least they'll be put to good use ) and the house clearing is well underway all is going well!
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 23rd Jul 18, 1:39 PM
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    Currently, I feel that I am living in a dumping ground for all sorts of random items belonging to random people!!
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    I can totally relate to this, it's driving me insane!!!!



    Wish Ihad to your energy levels
    • bigask
    • By bigask 25th Jul 18, 2:11 PM
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    Hi,

    I'm not sure if there is a thread which covers this already but I am a vegan who tries to consume as ethically as possible and wondered if there is anyone else out there trying to do the same thing in as much of a money saving way as possible!??

    I have recently had an increase in income and have therefore decided that from this day forward I will no longer purchase anything from any organisation that doesn't produce their goods ethically. It means that I will no longer use supermarkets; will either buy fresh products from a local organic box scheme or local organic producers; toiletries, household products and dry/tinned goods will be from a wholesale cooperative or a local health food shop.

    Tomorrow I will look at a greener energy provider- I can't afford solar panels at the moment but I can look at renewable electricity suppliers. I already bank with an ethical bank and am basing all my choices on ratings via the ethical consumer website.

    I know that this isn't going to be easy, not using any mainstream shops is going to take a lot of planning but I think its worth doing and hope that I'm not alone!!
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    How do you do to without "B vitamin"?
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 26th Jul 18, 7:54 PM
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    Bigask...no worries!!!

    Vitamin B1 (Thiamin)
    Sources: baker!!!8217;s yeast (active yeast), nutritional yeast (nonactive yeast), coriander, pine nuts, Jerusalem artichokes, hibiscus tea, watermelon, whole grains, acorn squash, soymilk, soybeans, rice bran, wheat germ, sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts (or butter), tahini, sesame seeds, spirulina, green peas, most beans, asparagus
    Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)
    Sources: cereal grasses, whole grains, almonds, sesame seeds, spinach, fortified soy milk, spirulina, mushrooms, beet greens, quinoa, buckwheat, prunes
    Vitamin B3 (Niacin)
    Sources: baker!!!8217;s yeast (active yeast), nutritional yeast (nonactive yeast), coffee, chili powder, spirulina, peanuts, peanut butter, rice bran, mushrooms, barley, durian fruit, potatoes, tomatoes, millet, chia, whole grains, wild rice, buckwheat, green peas, avocados, sunflower seeds, tahini
    Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid)
    Sources: baker!!!8217;s yeast (active yeast), nutritional yeast (nonactive yeast), paprika, mushrooms, sunflower seeds (and sunbutter), whole grains, broccoli, mushrooms, avocados, tomatoes, soy milk, rice bran, sweet potatoes
    Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)
    Sources: all soy products (choose non-GMO), bananas, watermelon, peanut butter, almonds, sweet potatoes, green peas, avocados, hemp seeds, spirulina, chia seeds, beans, rice bran, chickpeas, prunes, wheat germ, sunflower seeds, pineapple, plantains, hearts of palm, artichokes, water chesnuts, all squash and pumpkin, Brussels sprouts, green beans, pistachios, figs, nutritional yeast, baker!!!8217;s yeast (active yeast), garlic, sage, peppers, kale,
    Vitamin B7 (Biotin)
    Sources: almonds, chia, peanuts, sweet potatoes, peanut butter, peanuts, onions, oats, tomatoes, carrots, walnuts
    Vitamin B9 (Folate)
    Sources: spinach, beans, lentils, asparagus, lettuce, tomatoes, broccoli, avocados, mangoes, oranges, most whole grains, nutritional yeast (nonactive yeast), baker!!!8217;s yeast (active yeast), basil, soy products, peanuts, artichokes, cantaloupe, walnuts, flax, sesame, cauliflower, tahini, sunflower seeds, peas, okra, celery, hazelnuts, mint, leeks, chesnuts
    Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin)
    Sources: soy products, fortified cereals (choose an organic, non-GMO brand), fortified almond milk (brands vary), fortified coconut milk (brands vary), some vegan protein powders, nutritional yeast (one of the best), spirulina (best source)
    Last edited by squirrelgirl; 26-07-2018 at 7:58 PM.
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 28th Jul 18, 3:37 PM
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    How do you do to without "B vitamin"?
    Originally posted by bigask
    Lol that's an old classic
    • rachlikeswinter
    • By rachlikeswinter 26th Aug 18, 2:03 PM
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    Hey guys! Haven't posted in a while, life and all that.. hope everyone's well?

    So on the plastic free side of things, I've just seen that Bulldog (that men's skincare brand, who are vegan) have just launched a completely plastic free razor - made of bamboo and steel. I'm mega excited about this as I've had no luck finding zero plastic razors until now, and the rest of my bathroom is almost plastic free... wondering if anyone has tried it yet? Boots have a 1/3 off intro offer right now too so its basically the same price as a Venus, so keen to get on it soon really, as I've just been using plastic disposables and they are awful. Not bothered it's supposed to be a men's razor ha! Google it, it's looks quite fancy.


    On another note - this will probably open up a huge philosophical debate - what are people's stance on wool? This is probably the only area for me that has been a bit grey.. as a vegan I know I should be 100% animal free, but from an ecological standpoint, the alternative is polyester.. which is plastic. Wool is biodegradable and a renewable source.. but then I saw that horrific video on channel 4 news this week, filmed secretly in UK wool farms.. needless to say I felt sick. Anyone else see that? It was a Peta one.


    So with winter fast approaching - what's the best choice? I try to buy second hand where possible, so I guess second hand wool jumpers? Argh. Everything is such a minefield these days.
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 28th Aug 18, 10:46 AM
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    Hi rachellikeswinter - personally, I'd never use wool so I wouldn't go near second hand ones either. Cotton, hemp etc are all suitable to wear and are ecologically sound (within certain parameters obviously). but it's down to personal choice.

    Those razors sound good - i'll check them out!

    All is going well with the ethical living - I've still got a lot in stock, I have lots going on in rl but i'm sticking to the plans wherever possible!
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 28th Aug 18, 2:19 PM
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    So with winter fast approaching - what's the best choice? I try to buy second hand where possible, so I guess second hand wool jumpers? Argh. Everything is such a minefield these days.
    Originally posted by rachlikeswinter
    Increasing Squirrelgirls list, there's also bamboo clothing
    • RebeccaAnn
    • By RebeccaAnn 5th Sep 18, 5:07 PM
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    Can I please join you guys? We are a family of 4, 3 vegan 1 not. We do try and buy our food and clothing in ethical and vegan ways but living out in the middle of nowhere makes it really difficult. We have no local farm shops and so far my attempts at making tofu have been a disaster which leads to trips to the supermarket.

    We are saving hard at the moment so that we can travel but also giving us the power to make decisions that we feel comfortable with. Up until recently, we were living paycheck to paycheck and everything was bought because it was the cheapest which makes me feel incredibly guilty.

    In the upcoming future, I am hoping to make more changes to our lifestyles.

    I need to move away from using plastic razors, my husband has one of the old-fashioned metal ones where you swap out the blade. My attempts at using it have left my legs shredded but I am going to go for it and hope the bikini line is more successful.

    I buy most of my clothes at charity shops but need to have a major sort out. I want a minimalist wardrobe as have so many items that don't pair up is far too stressful in the mornings and I also want to buy some fairtrade ethical pieces as I have not had the money to do so before. What do people do for socks and underwear? I have been buying mine at primark for years

    Next year I want to start growing some veg and salads in tubs (we are in a rental) and I am really interested in heirloom seeds. We did have an allotment plot a few years back but had to give it up as we didn't have the time around working to get it going.

    I have slowly been making the change to making our own toiletries. We buy some item from lush like the shampoo bars so no plastic there but we are still a long way off with other household items and I still buy wash tablets and kitchen sprays (these are vegan but i hate the plastic!) And my worst habit of allis using the tumble dryer I am just so disorganized.
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 6th Sep 18, 7:57 AM
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    Welcome aboard RebeccaAnn!!

    A few suggestions - first one is stop feeling guilty!!!

    Living ethically is an expensive stance to take and not something which can be done overnight unless you have an extremely large income.....I have spent a great deal of time transitioning to ethical living due to financial constraints....you have to just do what you can when you can

    Depending on your finances and storage space I would recommend you try Suma Wholefoods - they are a vegetarian cooperative wholesaler. I was given an account as I live so far away from any health food shop - obviously, they are a wholesaler so you need to buy in bulk (I think the minimum spend for free delivery is 250 but they will deliver a smaller quantity for a fee) Other than fruit and veg, I pretty much get everything from them - I buy all my household and toiletry products in bulk, then decant into smaller quantities. Suma will take away the bulk containers and refill too so that really cuts down on the plastics

    Underwear - try BAM - they are a bamboo clothing company and their underwear is not 'grannyfied' again, be prepared to pay a lot more though.....there are a lot of ethical options if you check online...

    Growing your own is always a lovely option for fruit and veg- containers obviously limit what you can grow but salads and herbs can be grown all year round supermarkets wrap them in plastic and they spoil quickly so I always think that if you are going to grow anything, salads and herbs are definitely top of the list....

    I think that any move towards living more ethically is a step in the right direction - don't beat yourself up about what you can't do yet and be proud of what you are achieving!

    ETA - Tumble dryer....I use mine all the time but my electricity supplier only deals in renewable energy so no planet damage
    Last edited by squirrelgirl; 06-09-2018 at 8:01 AM.
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    • rachlikeswinter
    • By rachlikeswinter 6th Sep 18, 1:42 PM
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    Hi RebeccaAnn!

    It sounds like you are doing amazingly and as squirrel girl says, don't feel guilty! You are doing so good and these changes do not happen overnight for sure.

    My thoughts are:
    Just because something is cheapest doesn't always mean its the least ethical - for example bar soap can be cheaper than shower gel, wash for wash - but of course the cheapest thing you can do is not buy new things. Adopting a make do and mend / waste not want not attitude is the best for the planet, and that will help attain your 'minimalist' wardrobe you would like (I have some qualms about that movement but thats a separate discussion.) Letting go of things you don't want doesn't mean replacing them straight away, even if they are fairtrade/ethical etc.

    Have you heard of Project 333? Google it - if you really want a capsule wardrobe, thats the way to go. Its fun, very tough, and very very interesting.

    Underwear - Primark is obviously an example of 'buy cheap buy twice' - I still vouch for good ol' M&S. While not made of any specific 'ethical fibres', they are such good quality still meaning you hopefully don't need to buy again for years. And they're not the most evil of companies, in the scale of such things. I would love to have all bamboo/whatever underwear etc but like you I'm on a budget so I need to balance my ethics with my wallet!

    Increasing Squirrelgirls list, there's also bamboo clothing
    Originally posted by savvy
    But yes as above definitely need to look more into this... small steps!

    Also sad update about the bulldog razors, they aren't entirely plastic free - the head is plastic (blades are steel) and the connection on the handle is also plastic. The rest of the handle is bamboo and steel. Gives a GREAT shave though. So it's less plastic certainly, but not 100% plastic free sadly. But the packaging is a huge plus.

    I've decided to invest in some (organic obvs) cotton handkerchiefs - old school! Realised I go through so many tissues and while they're not that bad in themselves, they're wrapped in plastic and of course it all has to be transported by the tonne, then binned. So - going to investigate the concept of 'washing' rather than 'throwing' haha. Maybe also money saving in the long run..? Initial outlay then never buying tissues again..?
    • pile-o-stone
    • By pile-o-stone 7th Sep 18, 2:27 PM
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    How do you do to without "B vitamin"?
    Originally posted by bigask
    This always makes me smile when it comes up and shows a complete lack of understanding where vitamins, especially B12, come from.

    My reply is to ask "Where do you get your B12 from", which they reply "From meat, milk and eggs". I then reply, "but cattle, sheep and chickens are all vegan, so where do they get their B12 from?"

    The reply is usually a blank look.

    The simple fact is that if people can’t get B12 through fruit and veg anymore due to depleted soils caused by modern farming methods, then neither can farm animals. This is especially true of factory farmed animals that are fed on an unnatural diet of corn instead of grass.

    How then do these animals get their B12? Well, they get them through a supplement, which makes the B12-reason to eat animal products somewhat invalid.

    I think I'd rather take a vitamin B12 supplement directly than the 'hit and miss' method of eating an animal that has had B12 added to their feed, especially as I'd also be taking a good dose of saturated fat, growth hormones and antibiotics that were also given to the farm animal.
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 7th Sep 18, 6:43 PM
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    Hi RebeccaAnn
    I have slowly been making the change to making our own toiletries. We buy some item from lush like the shampoo bars so no plastic there but we are still a long way off with other household items and I still buy wash tablets and kitchen sprays (these are vegan but i hate the plastic!) And my worst habit of allis using the tumble dryer I am just so disorganized.
    Originally posted by RebeccaAnn
    I use a reusable spray bottle and a do a mix of a couple of drops of washing up liquid, then half white vinegar and hald water as a kitchen spray. Recipe came from thos two cleaning ladie on the TV
    • savvy
    • By savvy 7th Sep 18, 6:47 PM
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    This always makes me smile when it comes up and shows a complete lack of understanding where vitamins, especially B12, come from.
    Originally posted by pile-o-stone
    Lol always a classic......along with but how do you get your protein
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 13th Sep 18, 9:10 AM
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    The nutritional queries/arguments that are thrown at me as a vegan never cease to amaze me - especially as they usually come from people who have the poorest, most processed eating habits ever!!

    I must admit that years ago I used to try to help educate people, but now, unless I think it's a genuine curiosity or interest rather than a 'dig', I have a tendency to just laugh at them and really pull apart their dietary habits.....suffice to say that I get far fewer comments these days!

    Living ethically seems to bring a lot of derision from others - it's funny how people feel that I need to defend how I do things yet are very antsy when I start questioning their practices and the reality of their choices

    Not a lot to report really - still hoping for a dry and warm weekend so that I can harvest my elderberries and get some cordial on the go - I'm also going to make some ginger jam as I have to decant my sil's ginger whisky at the weekend and it uses up the remains

    It's starting to feel a bit autumnal now and I love it - I think it's probably my favourite season; all the colours changing on the plants, the bright sunshine and crisp mornings, warm salads and cold wines.....it really makes me feel grounded and in touch with my surroundings

    Have a fab day!
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    • rachlikeswinter
    • By rachlikeswinter 13th Sep 18, 3:41 PM
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    Lol always a classic......along with but how do you get your protein
    Originally posted by savvy
    I always say 'from my food - where do you get yours from then?'

    Then they look at me blankly and I skip away.


    It's starting to feel a bit autumnal now and I love it - I think it's probably my favourite season; all the colours changing on the plants, the bright sunshine and crisp mornings, warm salads and cold wines.....it really makes me feel grounded and in touch with my surroundings

    Have a fab day!
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    Me too! So excited to dust off the ankle boots and beanie hats, I love summer but I love getting dressed in the winter.. much more fun.
    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 14th Sep 18, 9:43 AM
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    I must admit that years ago I used to try to help educate people, but now, unless I think it's a genuine curiosity or interest rather than a 'dig', I have a tendency to just laugh at them and really pull apart their dietary habits.....suffice to say that I get far fewer comments these days!
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    I tried but you wanted to discontinue the conversation and I obliged.
    The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.
    Oliver Wendell Holmes
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 14th Sep 18, 3:30 PM
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    I tried but you wanted to discontinue the conversation and I obliged.
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    I know, and thank you for respecting my wishes!

    Not too much to report - had a bit of a nightmare on the renovation front but hopefully that will be resolved soon and the freezer sort out has been completed!! There's always good and bad in every day!

    I have cleared out a couple of drawers in the freezer for ds & dil so that she can batch cook this weekend ready for starting work on Monday - surprisingly, there was little in there which needs using up - its mainly breakfast stuff for the baby!! I had a couple of bags of seitan balls which I made and he's not keen on (mainly because I forgot about them and overcooked them - I think I should probably sell them as golf balls ) so unfortunately, they need to be binned but other than that, all of it is useable. I have told dil to only do enough for the week food wise though as I will hopefully be able to defrost the big freezer by next week once we've used up some of the contents!

    I'm planning on taking the grandbaby to feed the ducks tomorrow if the weather holds - I won't be seeing him for a week as dd is off on holiday which is lovely for them but I will have major withdrawal symptoms - and while I am out I need to pick up another spray bottle for my cleaners as I've just broken the trigger on my other one! (thankfully, the place I will buy it is right next to the river so no additional petrol costs ) I've got some soup out of the freezer for lunch tomorrow so might take that in a flask and have a picnic - then it will be back home to hopefully pick the elderberries and start the cordial......

    Well, the weekend starts here for me - I've done lots of hours this week so am taking a couple back.....I think a glass of wine may be calling my name!
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 14th Sep 18, 4:46 PM
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    I know, and thank you for respecting my wishes!
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl


    then it will be back home to hopefully pick the elderberries and start the cordial......
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    How do you make the cordial?? I remember as a kid having to pick a ton of elderberries for the parents to make wine...never got any cordial though!!


    I'm trying to look at zero waste at the moment, and desperately need to resurrect the compost bin, although it needs a location where the dogs won't use it as a stepping stone into next door to chase their cats
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 14th Sep 18, 8:01 PM
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    Here you go savvy...this is the recipe I use

    Ingredients
    500g of elderberries
    500g of water
    350g of caster sugar
    1/2 lemon, rind plus 1tbsp lemon juice

    Remove the berries from the stems using a fork then wash them, removing any bits of stalk or leaf
    Drain the berries and place in a pan along with the lemon rind. Cover with the water and simmer on a low heat for 30 minutes, until the berries have broken down. Skim away any scum that appears on the surface
    Strain the juice through a colander lined with muslin cloth set over a bowl. Gently press the berries to extract as much juice as possible
    Return the juice to the pan and add the sugar and lemon juice. Gently heat and stir until the sugar has dissolved
    Taste and add more sugar or lemon juice to your taste
    Decant into a sterilised bottle and seal

    I usually keep it in the fridge once I open a bottle as it went dodgy the first time I made it
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