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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
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    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying
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    • 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying 9th Nov 16 at 5:00 PM
    Hi,

    I'm not sure if there is a thread which covers this already but I am a vegan who tries to consume as ethically as possible and wondered if there is anyone else out there trying to do the same thing in as much of a money saving way as possible!??

    I have recently had an increase in income and have therefore decided that from this day forward I will no longer purchase anything from any organisation that doesn't produce their goods ethically. It means that I will no longer use supermarkets; will either buy fresh products from a local organic box scheme or local organic producers; toiletries, household products and dry/tinned goods will be from a wholesale cooperative or a local health food shop.

    Tomorrow I will look at a greener energy provider- I can't afford solar panels at the moment but I can look at renewable electricity suppliers. I already bank with an ethical bank and am basing all my choices on ratings via the ethical consumer website.

    I know that this isn't going to be easy, not using any mainstream shops is going to take a lot of planning but I think its worth doing and hope that I'm not alone!!
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 12th Jan 18, 9:34 PM
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    I have leather shoes, belts and a jacket that I bought before I knew any better. I decided to wear them until they basically wear out and are beyond repair and then replace them with vegan alternatives.
    Originally posted by pile-o-stone
    I do this as well, certainly wasn't in a position to replace everything! Not only that, it's not great for the environment hey
    • Theonewhoknows
    • By Theonewhoknows 13th Jan 18, 12:59 PM
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    That is lovely! I am vegan myself but I don't bother too much about where do I buy from... I just don't want to eat or abuse animals and that's it.
    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 13th Jan 18, 4:59 PM
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    I do this as well, certainly wasn't in a position to replace everything! Not only that, it's not great for the environment hey
    Originally posted by savvy
    That's what I thought about my remaining leather items from before going vegan. Throwing them out doesn't benefit animals, so I figure there's no reason to do it.

    I think a big part of how I feel however is not guilt for once eating and wearing animals, but positivity about not doing it any more. Possibly one of the big barriers to people going vegan is having to reconsider years of not being vegan - I guess going vegan is deciding it didn't really match your ethics, but that shouldn't be a factor. Today is today, choose things based on where you are now.
    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 13th Jan 18, 7:06 PM
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    I also keep on using leather items - I used a leather purse and handbag for a long time, and have just replaced them with a Matt & Nat handbag and purse.

    On shoes, it's slightly trickier - I do my best, but I'm a woman with size 9 feet so I'm limited in shoe options anyway. I keep re-heeling a few pairs of boots I own, but they're almost at the end of their lifecycle. Can anyone recommend an online vegan store which does non-standard shoe sizes?
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    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 14th Jan 18, 2:38 PM
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    I also keep on using leather items - I used a leather purse and handbag for a long time, and have just replaced them with a Matt & Nat handbag and purse.

    On shoes, it's slightly trickier - I do my best, but I'm a woman with size 9 feet so I'm limited in shoe options anyway. I keep re-heeling a few pairs of boots I own, but they're almost at the end of their lifecycle. Can anyone recommend an online vegan store which does non-standard shoe sizes?
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    If you're after trainers and walking boots, I suppose any size nine will do, or are men's shoes distinct in some way? I've been really happy to find the Johnscliffe KATHMANDU shoes, they're synthetic materials (although many retailers don't state this so double check before buying in case they ever change materials), and they're pretty cheap at ~40, very comfortable and long lasting. I've had a couple of pairs now, they're some of the longer lasting shoes I've owned, so the extra 10 or so price is actually worth it financially as well as for vegan reasons.
    • K9sandFelines
    • By K9sandFelines 14th Jan 18, 4:00 PM
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    I also keep on using leather items - I used a leather purse and handbag for a long time, and have just replaced them with a Matt & Nat handbag and purse.

    On shoes, it's slightly trickier - I do my best, but I'm a woman with size 9 feet so I'm limited in shoe options anyway. I keep re-heeling a few pairs of boots I own, but they're almost at the end of their lifecycle. Can anyone recommend an online vegan store which does non-standard shoe sizes?
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    Some of New Look's shoes are vegan, and may be able to offer something in your size at a reasonable/affordable price.
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    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 15th Jan 18, 10:24 PM
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    Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately New Look lie when it comes to the sizing of their shoes! About ten years ago they made a change to their style and their 9s are no longer 9s - they feel like 8s. The only high street shops which work for size 9s are Shoe Zone, Evans and Deichmanns. I buy men's running shoes and Ethletic general trainers, but I was wanting to replace my lovely knee high boots. After checking every single shoe website on ethical consumer (why do so few offer a 'search by size' option?) I've found a gorgeous pair on Will's Vegan Shoes online. Not at all cheap, but I very very rarely buy shoes (I bought two new pairs last year, and before that I hadn't bought anything in at least three years) so I'll happily pay for ethical shoes that fit me and will last. I got Christmas money which I don't know what to spend on, so might spend on those.
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    • K9sandFelines
    • By K9sandFelines 16th Jan 18, 9:01 AM
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    Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately New Look lie when it comes to the sizing of their shoes! About ten years ago they made a change to their style and their 9s are no longer 9s - they feel like 8s. The only high street shops which work for size 9s are Shoe Zone, Evans and Deichmanns. I buy men's running shoes and Ethletic general trainers, but I was wanting to replace my lovely knee high boots. After checking every single shoe website on ethical consumer (why do so few offer a 'search by size' option?) I've found a gorgeous pair on Will's Vegan Shoes online. Not at all cheap, but I very very rarely buy shoes (I bought two new pairs last year, and before that I hadn't bought anything in at least three years) so I'll happily pay for ethical shoes that fit me and will last. I got Christmas money which I don't know what to spend on, so might spend on those.
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    Glad you found some in the end. At least you know these will last you years. If they are true to size then even better
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 17th Jan 18, 8:30 AM
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    Leather - When I first became veggie as a teenager i gave away all my leather things so I never had the issue when I became vegan in all honesty, there are arguments for and against and I can see the validity in those arguments. For me I no longer felt comfortable with wearing it and I felt guilty for my previous choices so didn't want a constant reminder

    Nothing much to report...doing very well on using up current stocks of food, I'm sticking to my budget now and I've got a weekend of peace ahead of me - I'm really looking forward to it!
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    • pinknsparkly
    • By pinknsparkly 30th Jan 18, 1:28 PM
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    Hi everyone!

    I will shortly be starting a new job (am currently a PhD student with zero income, scraping by on my husband's salary and savings at the moment), and have decided I want to commit to "living lightly". For me that means cutting way down on meat (and purchasing organic, ethically produced British meat - I would go vegan but my husband wouldn't!), eliminating dairy completely and changing my food shopping habits to reduce plastic as much as possible.

    One place I hope to start is that I have been using nutmilks for a while now, but currently buy them in tetrapak cartons so want to start making my own milk. I also want to investigate places you can buy things such as lentils, beans, nuts, pasta etc lose without any packaging.

    In terms of clothes and other items around the house (such as food storage etc), I will continue to use the things I have until they wear out but intend to then replace them with ethical, sustainably produced, plastic-free alternatives. My intention is that by buying more expensive but better quality items, they will last a lot longer and work out to be cost effective (if not cheaper!). To this end, I've discovered BuyMeOnce.com website which is fab (though they consider only the longevity of items and not the ethical-ness of them).

    What are everyone's views on the H&M Conscious range? I've been doing some research into ethical clothing brands but am struggling to find opinions on this particular range (which is designed to be more sustainable and environmentally friendly than the standard H&M clothes).
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 30th Jan 18, 5:11 PM
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    One place I hope to start is that I have been using nutmilks for a while now, but currently buy them in tetrapak cartons so want to start making my own milk. I also want to investigate places you can buy things such as lentils, beans, nuts, pasta etc lose without any packaging.
    Originally posted by pinknsparkly
    It's been such a pain in my city, we used to have a few scoop and weigh places but they've all gone now. We do now have a vegan supermarket where you can buy these things, but it's mostly organic products so not exactly cheap. Have you got any health shops around that do this? There are food co-operatives around but I've never been able to track them down here, and Suma sell online and on Amazon, that might be useful.
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    • pinknsparkly
    • By pinknsparkly 30th Jan 18, 7:26 PM
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    Thanks @savvy I hadn't thought of food co-operatives or Suma. I'll have to look into them! There are a couple of vegan supermarkets that I've found online that I want to check out - the nearest one is about a 45 minute drive though so I'll need to do quite a large stocking up shop to make it worth it!!
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    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 12th Feb 18, 9:10 PM
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    Thanks @savvy I hadn't thought of food co-operatives or Suma. I'll have to look into them! There are a couple of vegan supermarkets that I've found online that I want to check out - the nearest one is about a 45 minute drive though so I'll need to do quite a large stocking up shop to make it worth it!!
    Originally posted by pinknsparkly
    The downside of driving a long way to buy groceries - something mostly people can buy locally, is that unless you're already in the neighbourhood, your shopping trip is going to use a lot of energy it doesn't need to. Ordering for it to be delivered in the post may be better - although I suppose that rules out things that need to be chilled.

    However, a vegan supermarket does sound cool, I wish I had something like that locally. Maybe one day

    I tend to either do the shopping while I'm in town anyway - but have limited ability to carry things, so I also do online shopping which is delivered by the supermarket to the house. I find these most time efficient for me, and I believe are pretty energy efficient options. I'm increasingly online shopping with Tesco, I find they have a good range of vegan foods I like. Big supermarkets can be seen negatively in various ways when it comes to animals and the environment, and I don't entirely disagree with many of the concerns I've heard. However, shopping vegan there does help encourage them to stock these products and bring them to more people, and I do believe their delivery system is likely to be most efficient.

    Ultimately though, as I don't drive, I've got to shop where I can and supermarkets deliver it to me. No car limits options, but having no car is also good for the environment. It's always a balance really between the options - and even if you have a car, that balance is still the question I suppose when deciding if and when to use it. I wouldn't overly worry about these things myself, but for regular stuff like food shopping I think it's worth considering more as food shopping must account for a lot of car trips for the average person.
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 17th Feb 18, 6:44 AM
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    I also keep on using leather items - I used a leather purse and handbag for a long time, and have just replaced them with a Matt & Nat handbag and purse.

    On shoes, it's slightly trickier - I do my best, but I'm a woman with size 9 feet so I'm limited in shoe options anyway. I keep re-heeling a few pairs of boots I own, but they're almost at the end of their lifecycle. Can anyone recommend an online vegan store which does non-standard shoe sizes?
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    I'm a size 9 too. Birkenstocks have vegan shoes in our size (but you either love them, or hate them). Great for sandals though.
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 17th Feb 18, 6:49 AM
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    Hi everyone!
    ...- I would go vegan but my husband wouldn't!)..
    Originally posted by pinknsparkly
    You can still do it though. My husband is a meat eater. We just have to plan meals more than most people. I was a vegi when we met years ago and turned vegan since we've been together.

    What are everyone's views on the H&M Conscious range? I've been doing some research into ethical clothing brands but am struggling to find opinions on this particular range (which is designed to be more sustainable and environmentally friendly than the standard H&M clothes).
    Originally posted by pinknsparkly
    Sorry, not heard of this range. Do they have any more info on their website?

    I will need to buy some new clothes soon and so I have been looking at Seasalt, People Tree and the White Stuff as they all make ethical clothing.
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 17th Feb 18, 6:54 AM
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    ...Original source however are very clear they don't animal test. Ultradex dental care are clear too that they don't. However, my favourite skin care product - super facialist, have gone from very clear on their website to a bit vague last time I looked. It does appear to have coincided with a site redesign and new copywriting though. They currently state they're "against animal testing" but in the past I've found that hasn't always meant companies never do animal testing. I've just sent them an email asking for more details. Hopefully I get a clear answer, and hopefully it's all good news.
    Originally posted by Ben84
    Sorry - third post in a row!

    Original Source showergel actually has the vegan symbol on it too. Love their Rasbperry and Vanilla one.

    I use a lot of Sainsbury's toiletries (handsoap, mouthwash etc) as they do not test on animals. Their products all have the bunny symbol on them from the Cruelty Free International (used to be BUAV). They also have a clear statement on their website that they do not animal test too.
    • TomandBarbara
    • By TomandBarbara 21st Feb 18, 4:14 PM
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    Hi
    I live as ethically as I can, but I am a meat eater. I was a vegetarian for about a year but that was a good twenty years or more ago when my veggie food came from the local health shop.
    I was going to try Veganuary but was not organised enough, then decided for lent ( which I don't normally do) I would give up meat and dairy products.
    However I have decided thats too much so currently its just meat and milk.
    Going to be quite a slow journey I think!
    Will also follow this post with interest
    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 21st Feb 18, 8:20 PM
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    Sorry - third post in a row!

    Original Source showergel actually has the vegan symbol on it too. Love their Rasbperry and Vanilla one.

    I use a lot of Sainsbury's toiletries (handsoap, mouthwash etc) as they do not test on animals. Their products all have the bunny symbol on them from the Cruelty Free International (used to be BUAV). They also have a clear statement on their website that they do not animal test too.
    Originally posted by Spider In The Bath
    Yes, that's a good point. Here's their information about it:

    https://help.sainsburys.co.uk/help/company-values/animal-testing

    They also talk about household products there, and it seems these are ok too. However, still need to check for animal ingredients. I currently don't think they're in many household products - except fabric softener which may have milk proteins in it. Personally, I don't like fabric softener anyway, method laundry liquid seems to work great without it and saves buying another bottle of heavy stuff to carry home.

    Super facialist haven't got back to me, and it's been weeks, so I don't know any more at this point. I've started using bulldog branded face wash since then with actually very good results for my skin (they have clear information about not animal testing on their site), so I have an alternative now for face wash, and will keep trying other products as I run out of my current ones. However, I did send another email to super facialist asking again, and who knows, maybe I'll get a reply this time. I appreciate emails can get lost sometimes, but objectively, companies I contact have never emailed back about their animal testing policies. Obviously I'm emailing ones with either no info or not entirely clear info on their websites, so I do wonder what the situation really is? I have doubts about the commonplace "against animal testing" claim made by companies because it doesn't clearly state they never do it, and my emails asking for more details have never been replied to.

    I've been asking other people I know how they'd interpret this claim and they have largely been saying they think it means no animal testing, and are surprised I'm doubting this. But I have reasons, the consistent lack of replies when asking about it suggests this may not be the case. I'm working on a letter to the Advertising Standards Agency as I'm wondering if people are buying products under the mistaken impression they're not animal tested when they actually are.
    • Doom_and_Gloom
    • By Doom_and_Gloom 21st Feb 18, 8:51 PM
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    For me that means cutting way down on meat (and purchasing organic, ethically produced British meat - I would go vegan but my husband wouldn't!), eliminating dairy completely and changing my food shopping habits to reduce plastic as much as possible.
    Originally posted by pinknsparkly
    I don't quite understand what you are saying here about not giving up meat, so not being vegan, because your husband won't do it.
    My husband is omni but I am vegan. What I eat and do has little effect on my OH. Okay yes we use vegan washing up liquid, hand wash, laundry detergent etc but as OH has eczema these are better for him as they are also certified as hypoallergenic.
    OH has also started using bulldog products as they agree with his skin better.

    At the end of last year I bought 5kg of British quinoa, think it was 30 so not bad price. I decanted it into in a, food grade, bucket. Less plastic used this way and being British less environmental impact in travel.
    29 year old vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy
    • studygreen02
    • By studygreen02 23rd Feb 18, 10:17 AM
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    sounds like a good balance!
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