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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 9th Jul 18, 9:18 AM
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    Other prepping: I have a very elderly, very big buddleia taking up the most privileged position in the garden, and the drought is finally killing it, its collapsing branch by branch. A smaller one further down the garden is surviving, just. I'm definitely going to hoick out the elderly one, and plant a fruit tree - its against a south-facing fence, and a buddleia can grow in many other positions. Still want it for the bees, but I want fruit for me!
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    • westcoastscot
    • By westcoastscot 9th Jul 18, 10:33 AM
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    It's mostly the little pleasures, for me, though I do have one problem because of dairy intolerance. I need goats/sheeps milk, not cows - and most of the affordable cheese comes from the EU area.

    Otherwise, its olive oil. And Waitrose Essential Olives (pitted, in brine, 50p per 100g ).

    Seriously though, we currently import 40% or so of our food? Maybe half that is from the EU? It will almost certainly be more expensive, so extra stocking up will probably be a good thing - but we don't know when those price rises will take place, so its a guessing game. And a tough one, when, as you say, financial capacity is limited. I'm retired now, with no active pension, so cash flow is not the problem for me that it is for other low-income folks, so I really might stock up on a few things.
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    Hi Karma, i'm good for cash flow as living off savings for ten years, just need to eke them out as overall funds are very low. Will cast an eye around my stores for imported goodies - I'm pondering going over to a yearly food and fuel budget as spending is not regular month to month, summer being cheaper. Another good reason to do so!

    We kept a milking goat for many years and goat cheese is easy to make - I have recipes if you'd like them?

    Agree about olive oil and I love the olives in the wee tins!

    WCS
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 9th Jul 18, 11:46 AM
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    Hi Karma, i'm good for cash flow as living off savings for ten years, just need to eke them out as overall funds are very low.
    Originally posted by westcoastscot
    I didn't realise you were in the same boat as me! It's weird, isn't it ... I do have some money coming to me, when we sell my mother's house, but it's quite sobering sometimes.


    Will cast an eye around my stores for imported goodies - I'm pondering going over to a yearly food and fuel budget as spending is not regular month to month, summer being cheaper. Another good reason to do so!
    Goldiegirl, on MFW, who retired a few years ago, does that annual budget, for exactly that reason, the whole stocking up thing. I buy such basic foodstuffs, and have so many digestive intolerances, I haven't worked at sticking strictly to a budget, I confess. But now I'm healthier, and interested in trying more, I think I'll need to. Its very easy to go overboard, when you're not limited by other issues.


    We kept a milking goat for many years and goat cheese is easy to make - I have recipes if you'd like them?
    Oh wow. Yes, I'd love the recipes if you could. I've no chance of *keeping* a goat - dormitory town in the south east of England - but who knows how things change? And if I win the million pound premium bond, I might yet do something on these lines


    Agree about olive oil and I love the olives in the wee tins!

    WCS
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    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 9th Jul 18, 2:25 PM
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    Karmacat how did things improve for you healthwise and what do you think made it happen? Was stopping work enough on it's own or did you make other changes?
    WCS I'm expecting everything to go up, just like it did in 1971 or whenever it was decimalisation came in. They used it as an excuse.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:10 PM
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    it might be worth thinking about extra ways to keep warm eg blankets and hot water bottles.
    Originally posted by maryb
    And, if you have an electric stove, an alternative method of cooking and heating water.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:15 PM
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    Finally, a little relief.
    It's not cooled off all that much, but, courtesy of some clouds and a bit of a breeze, the temperature has dropped a welcome few degrees.

    As for prepping, I've just bought, and am trying out, this LED lamp.
    Probably not bright enough for the living room (I certainly don't think it will be bright enough for reading), but might be usable in the bathroom, or for getting into and out of bed.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:21 PM
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    A button phone will hold a charge for a long time compared to these energy hogging smartphones and you could still use it to call for assistance/ ring your rellies and assure them you're OK, just delayed.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    And you can eke out a few extra valuable minutes of calls, using a solar powerbank.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:24 PM
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    but I was mildly impressed by St Martin's championing of reducing plastic waste & obtained reusable drinking straws with useful brushes.
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    I think drinking straws suck.

    ETA: Are the stainless steel drinking straws flexible/spingy, or are they rigid?
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 09-07-2018 at 4:35 PM.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:32 PM
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    Seriously though, we currently import 40% or so of our food?
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    Bear in mind though that, under the stupid CAP rules, we are required to export 15% of the milk we produce to other countries, and then import 15% of the milk we use from other countries.

    Once we leave the EU, we'll have 15% more of our own milk on the shelves, to replace the 15% we currently import, so we won't notice any difference.
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 09-07-2018 at 6:12 PM.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 18, 4:37 PM
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    We kept a milking goat for many years
    Originally posted by westcoastscot
    You must be kidding.
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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 9th Jul 18, 5:32 PM
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    Karmacat how did things improve for you healthwise and what do you think made it happen? Was stopping work enough on it's own or did you make other changes?
    Originally posted by mardatha
    It's been really slow, Mar, maybe I can summarise it as tweaking little things all the time. Point format, as I find that easiest:

    Stopping work was huge, no doubt about it. Less stress, no clients coming to my house so I had my privacy back - but there was also my mother's very brief illness and death to deal with in that first year. It was me that dealt with the probate, not my brother or sister, I had the most aptitude for all that, so that was a lot of *added* stress. But I coped with that much better than the stress of work.

    I stopped pretending my illness wasn't serious. Being on here helped me with that - you, maddiemay, cappella, GQ. There's a blog called Captain Awkward, recommended by someone on the mfw board, which feels like it saved my life. I still work really hard on not apologising for my existence, and that still helps.

    Bridges for the day. I'd been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue, not Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, so it was always less serious (no hospitalisations for me, for instance), and one really, really useful concept they gave me was of stepping stones/bridges - rest periods supporting the day, basically. You don't carry on and then stop for the day, you do a bit, rest a bit, do a bit more, rest a bit more. That's contrary to my natural way of doing things, so it was very difficult, even last year, I wore myself out, needed a week's rest after going on a walk with my sister and not resting midway. It was horribly disappointing, but I kept learning.

    Letting go of stereotypes I've been an idiot for a lot of my life still am. You don't have a wide circle of friends? You don't spend every Saturday night out and hobnobbing at a restaurant? You don't have a wild night on New Year's Eve and rock around to music? I learned that not only did I not have those things, I didn't *want* them. I wanted more than I had - I was really lonely, and pretty depressed with it, but again, admitting it to myself, even if I didn't admit it to anyone else, was healthier for me.

    Fifteen minutes. People on here often talk as if 15 minutes (in the garden, say) will lead to doing a couple of hours in the garden. For me, it didn't - just 15 minutes was a huge achievement. And that "bridges" concept was important too - I can't rest in the evening and then go to bed - I need to do something, however little, in the evening, so that I can rest properly at night.

    Sleep good sleep. A balance of activity and rest, and the timing of meals and snacks.

    People. Being on here, and having my own diary on mse, has been a lifesaver. I've seen my sister regularly, and my ex-colleague intermittently. Recognising when I've kept friendships from habit and loneliness, rather than liking someone, has been important. Recently, I've branched out - the healthy walks run by the council, U3A, and I've joined my local horticultural society today, going to Chelsea Physic Garden next week I've never had local links, and the older I get, the more I need them, I think.

    Food and supplements Less carbs, less sugar (and then only honey, fruit and dried fruit, I have refined sugar maybe once a month). More protein, as my body craves it sometimes. To get more veg into me without the work of cooking and chopping, I've used frozen veg. People often seem to be horrified by that - but the effort of shopping for and cooking enough fresh veg would have done me in. Frozen veg has saved my life (I use that phrase a lot, don't I ... ). I use ashwagandha (sp?) herbal supplement in my porridge (sorry!) nothing else, though I really want to start Vit D and B12.

    There's still room for improvement, but I have a chance of a proper life again now.

    Apologies to all for the length of this post. Others who've had CF and related, please chip in - I bet I've missed a few things.
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    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 9th Jul 18, 6:09 PM
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    Don't apologise KC, it was me who asked you on this thread how you had coped. TY for this, I can understand a lot of the things you did and why they worked. After ten years of managing and coping, I'm suddenly not.
    But I can still get on with prepping... and I am
    • daz378
    • By daz378 9th Jul 18, 6:10 PM
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    hiya people hope everyones ok , stocked up on bottles of cold water in fridge ....refill them rather than buy.....enjoyed hols in LA.....hit my target with SW lost 5 stone in a year will maintain this....bobbin along.... you all take care
    • VJsmum
    • By VJsmum 9th Jul 18, 7:25 PM
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    Great post Karma Cat. I can't think of better prepping for those with similar illnesses. I am not one of those (touch wood and thank goodness) but my mother was and she would really resonate with that.
    You're out with a friend in the capital, I'm a thousand leagues under the sea
    You're hovering worriedly over your eggs, And I'm pondering trees
    I'm wandering long, And I'm pondering trees
    For you and me
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    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 9th Jul 18, 7:43 PM
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    daz 5 stone? That's amazing! Huge WELL DONE. Glad you enjoyed LA.

    Karmacat I have ME, but now I'm officially retired it does seem better than it was...until i get overconfident and try to do too much! Sometimes I can walk down to the town centre and back, but atm I need to get the bus or have OH take me in the car.
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 9th Jul 18, 9:21 PM
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    Don't apologise KC, it was me who asked you on this thread how you had coped. TY for this, I can understand a lot of the things you did and why they worked. After ten years of managing and coping, I'm suddenly not.
    But I can still get on with prepping... and I am
    Originally posted by mardatha
    You've had a bad setback, Mar? Sorry to hear that. What about those ten years, what worked for you, what *didn't* you do (like I haven't taken supplements yet, including probiotics as well as vitamins). I know you've got the RV, but there are health problems for him too, naturally enough at our ages ...

    And as for prepping - it's *more* important when you're chronically ill.

    Great post Karma Cat. I can't think of better prepping for those with similar illnesses. I am not one of those (touch wood and thank goodness) but my mother was and she would really resonate with that.
    Originally posted by VJsmum
    Thanks VJsmum. And I see you already mentioned the point I made about prepping and illness but I'll leave it in.

    daz 5 stone? That's amazing! Huge WELL DONE. Glad you enjoyed LA.
    Originally posted by ivyleaf
    From me too!

    Karmacat
    I have ME, but now I'm officially retired it does seem better than it was...until i get overconfident and try to do too much! Sometimes I can walk down to the town centre and back, but atm I need to get the bus or have OH take me in the car.
    ivyleaf, I totally identify with relapses when you're overconfident and do too much. I had about two or three years when that was happening - sometimes as little as 5 minutes fast walk when I tried to exercise, it laid me up for a month. I'm glad you're retired, in any case - all of us with chronic stuff can do without the stresses of work.
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    • SmlSave
    • By SmlSave 9th Jul 18, 9:37 PM
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    I think drinking straws suck.

    ETA: Are the stainless steel drinking straws flexible/spingy, or are they rigid?
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    They are solid hun. If you can, get straight ones - they take a little getting used to but are much easier to clean than the 'kinked' ones.

    lurks back down.......
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    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 9th Jul 18, 9:41 PM
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    Another lurch sideways, but still linked to the ongoing idea of health and keeping it.
    The Thai cave lads? Their coach is not only under 25 but is amongst the most feeble as he didn't eat to give the lads a better chance. As a lapsed Buddhist monk, he not only taught them about drinking from stalactites (clean eater dripping from above not dirty water puddling around feet) but also about meditation, so they could handle the staying still & not being terrified better.
    I confess I'd presumed coach meant like stereotypical American coach - baseball cap, paunch - I had completely forgotten this is a very different country & culture & that they are all amazingly young.
    All kindly deities watch over them, - they have lifetimes of surviving this to cope with.
    • Cappella
    • By Cappella 9th Jul 18, 9:55 PM
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    Daz - congratulations that's a great weight loss and I'm really glad you enjoyed your holiday.

    Karmacat - I don't have CF but I do have coronary heart disease and your post really resonated with me, especially the bit about stopping pretending your illness wasn't important. I'd like to thank you for this, your comment has given me a much needed jolt and I'm going to give it a lot of very serious thought.
    Because I've been very, very fortunate and am able to live a full, active life again having recovered this is EXACTLY the trap that I've fallen into and over the past year I've slowly fallen back into bad eating and exercise habits which I'm now realising are beginning to adversely affect my health again.
    I'd cut out all sugars, most fats and all preserved and processed meats from my diet initially, after the heart attack, was walking the Ginger Ninja (border terrier) 2 to 3 miles a day and lost 4 stones. But slowly I became very blas! and convinced myself that it didn't matter if I kept the measures in place or not as it wasn't really important.
    Anyway I was wrong. I've had a serious health warning this week, and need to rethink my diet and lifestyle once again.
    However , like you, this time I'm going to take much smaller, slower steps, and hope that I can permanently embed them so that I don't keep sliding back into old habits. I'm starting with the sugar issue again tomorrow,and then going to look slowly at other aspects of my diet.
    Thank you again, it's good to have virtual friends to make you think hard about things
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 9th Jul 18, 10:11 PM
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    Oh my word, Cappella - that sounds *very* challenging. I think you're right to choose the sugar to focus on first, by the way - I used to be kind of addicted to sugary products, and when I cut them out, I felt so much better its hard to describe. I didn't deal with all the issues across the board, so it didn't last, but I have no doubt in my mind that sugar, refined sugar, is a poison, and those of us surrounded by such a problematic environment as we have these days are best not to touch such concentrated carp.


    Stopping putting poison into your body gives you a chance to get rid of the stores your body's already made, of course - so water becomes more important than ever. I hope you can manage to stay really well hydrated in this heat. Let us know how it goes.


    We've all said it before, but I'll say it again: looking after our health is the biggest prep we can do.
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