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    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 13th May 18, 8:03 AM
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    mardatha
    I bet nobody else in here has read - or possibly even heard of - the old 1960s Dr Palfrey books.. Some verrry interesting scenarios in there. The Depths is a fav of mine.
    https://www.goodreads.com/series/44591-dr-palfrey
    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 13th May 18, 8:26 AM
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    pineapple
    I'm coming up to the end of a 30 month fix with Scottish Power on 30th June. The prices they would roll me onto then are about 50% more, and even the cheapest alternative is about 20% more.

    Is there any way to actually switch on 30th June? That way I keep my low price until the last minute, but don't get stung by the 50% increase.
    Originally posted by jk0
    I would post this in the energy forum. Plus Scottish Power will probably have it's own dedicated thread with a company representative.
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13

    I used to be with Eon and found the rep there very good. He even sorted out a personal issue with Eon.
    • Bigjenny
    • By Bigjenny 13th May 18, 8:32 AM
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    Bigjenny
    mardatha I remember the Dr Palfrey books, another author from that era was
    E.E "Doc" Smith
    Last edited by Bigjenny; 13-05-2018 at 8:34 AM.
    "When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us" Alexander Graham Bell
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 13th May 18, 8:34 AM
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    MrsLurcherwalker
    I love Anne McCaffery and the 'Pern' books, also TP and David Eddings who have all given me worlds that are so 'real' in their writings that it's possible to be there in the story while you are reading it. It's sad when one of these interesting and talented authors leaves us and the worlds they create stop evolving.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • Bigjenny
    • By Bigjenny 13th May 18, 8:36 AM
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    Bigjenny
    I love the David Eddings and Anne McCaffrey books, although I couldn't get on with her Acorna Series.
    "When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us" Alexander Graham Bell
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th May 18, 9:31 AM
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    Bedsit Bob
    I think fantasy and SF are brilliant genres for preppers. They really make you think very hard about so many possibilities
    Originally posted by Cappella
    In that area, but not quite fitting either category, is One Second After by William R. Forstchen.

    Makes you realise just how devastating an EMP attack would be, to modern day society.
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 13-05-2018 at 1:22 PM.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    Who are you to question why your god doesn't want me to believe in him?
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 13th May 18, 10:49 AM
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    Karmacat
    My people! My people are here!

    I almost met CJ Cherryh, I was emailing with her before going to an SF con in Chicago, but she had to cancel.

    Prepping SF - Larry Niven, of Lucifer's Hammer fame. I *did* meet him in Chicago. That was a high point for me.

    Anne McCaffrey - I heard her talk in Glasgow at a British SF con, and she said (to everyone) "if you come to Ireland, get in touch with me, come see the house that dragons bought". Love her books.

    Huge SF book of the 1980s: Woman on the Edge of Time, by Marge Piercy. Not quite so much about prepping, though there is quite a bit that can be applied, but about what we could build, what we might have to sacrifice to get there. And what might happen if we don't.

    I love science fiction.
    /end pontificating.

    ETA - One Second After is great. Last Light too.
    Retired August 2016
    • Elona
    • By Elona 13th May 18, 1:02 PM
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    Elona
    OOHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    I loved Anne McCaffrey DD,Eddings, Elizabeth Moon, Mercedes Lackey etc. I got my dds into reading on their own by starting them on "The colour of magic"

    Has anyone else read L.E Modesitt jnr or the Raymonf Feist books?
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 13th May 18, 2:05 PM
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    ivyleaf
    Cappella I love the chickens' names Kirsty is the odd one out. I thought she must be in the Johnny series (haven't read them since DS was a lot younger) but had to check by Googling

    OH has the Katherine Kerr books, though hasn't read them for years. I started to read them, and did enjoy them at first, but eventually got fed up trying to remember who everyone was this time, and who they'd been last time round. Other people who've read them will know what I'm talking about!
    Last edited by ivyleaf; 13-05-2018 at 2:08 PM.
    • short_bird
    • By short_bird 13th May 18, 2:23 PM
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    short_bird
    Post apocalyptic novels: heavens, as a teenager of the '70's I've read way too many, they're what made me the cheerful bunny that I am And let's not mention "Threads", eh?

    Depending on your tolerance level for nastiness, I'd recommend "The Road"; we don't know how TSHTF, just know it happened and life is very bleak as a result. The book (by Cormac McCarthy) is for those of you with very strong stomachs. The film removed a few of the nastier scenes; neither are a cheerful way to spend spare time but are uplifting in a peculiar way. Because you're counting blessings? Yes, probably.
    Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans, no more merciful beheadings, and call off Christmas.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th May 18, 2:29 PM
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    Bedsit Bob
    Another gloriously warm and sunny day here, today.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    Who are you to question why your god doesn't want me to believe in him?
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 13th May 18, 3:05 PM
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    MrsLurcherwalker
    Here too BOB and a really good drying day so all the bedding is hung out blowing on the line, I saw the very first tiny blue butterfly of the year too when I walked Cookie dog. Think it's spring at last !
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • Cappella
    • By Cappella 13th May 18, 4:38 PM
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    Cappella
    Ivyleaf said
    Cappella I love the chickens' names Kirsty is the odd one out. I thought she must be in the Johnny series (haven't read them since DS was a lot younger) but had to check by Googling
    Yes, she is in the Johny series - one of my favourite characters !!!128522;

    Karmacat I am so very jealous that you have met Larry Niven I loved Ringworld and Fallen Angels (the fandom one) is one my go to comfort reads.

    My people are here too

    MrsLW - just had our first asparagus of the year from our allotment here, how far behind you are we in terms of time. I think you’ve been cropping yours for a while now but I may be wrong?
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 13th May 18, 4:46 PM
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    MrsLurcherwalker
    About 3 weeks and it was late starting this year but it's been producing like mad since this warmer weather arrived, in fact there is a lovely cutting there for supper tonight! yum, I'm the only one who likes it!!!.....lucky, lucky me!

    Just been up and cut 26 mostly succulent spears, just a few are sprew but still tender and delicious, roll on supper time!
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 13-05-2018 at 5:02 PM.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • Cappella
    • By Cappella 13th May 18, 5:10 PM
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    Cappella
    Thank you MrsLW
    Manchester must be 3 weeks behind you then.
    Just had ours and it was well worth waiting for. Here only my daughter and I like it and we make the most of the season
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th May 18, 7:42 PM
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    GreyQueen
    Funny how many SF/Fantasy afficionados are regulars here! My people, indeed.

    I've been reading these genres for about 45 years and can remember where and when my life changed; I picked a remaindered paperback, with a gouge cut through the pages, out of a basket outside the bookshop in the hometown.

    A book about a flat earth (Strata), by this guy called Terry Pratchett whom no one seemed to have heard of, when I went off raving about how brilliant it was. That 30p changed my reading life forever; I joke I have dual nationality - English and Discworld.

    Weather's iffy here, threw it down overnight, lottie was wringing wet but I gardened anyway. Got muddy to the knee and had to come home and de-grunge myself before heading out to a pal's for luncheon. We also had a little jaunt out in her car to a Sunday-opening chazzer one town over - delightful.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 13th May 18, 9:37 PM
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    Karmacat
    OOHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    I loved Anne McCaffrey DD,Eddings, Elizabeth Moon, Mercedes Lackey etc. I got my dds into reading on their own by starting them on "The colour of magic"

    Has anyone else read L.E Modesitt jnr or the Raymonf Feist books?
    Originally posted by Elona
    I've read Raymond Feist - in fact Wol, from the dfw board years back, got me onto them

    OH has the Katherine Kerr books, though hasn't read them for years. I started to read them, and did enjoy them at first, but eventually got fed up trying to remember who everyone was this time, and who they'd been last time round. Other people who've read them will know what I'm talking about!
    Originally posted by ivyleaf
    Me me me! I know! I kind of let who-was-who ride after a while I'm sometimes very bad with detail. I did have favourites though, so sometimes I skipped a bit Teared up at the very, very end.

    Karmacat I am so very jealous that you have met Larry Niven I loved Ringworld and Fallen Angels (the fandom one) is one my go to comfort reads.
    Originally posted by Cappella
    Sorry! I planned the trip for ages, but meeting him was sheer luck, I didn't know he was going to be there. Exactly like you, loved Ringworld, and Fallen Angels is a comfort read.

    My people are here too
    Retired August 2016
    • thriftwizard
    • By thriftwizard 13th May 18, 9:42 PM
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    thriftwizard
    We've not had much rain lately down here, and our 'lottie is now baked solid; two weeks ago, every time I pulled up a tuft of grass I had an 8" clod of solid clay underneath it. And we have hundreds of different kinds of grass, this was still a pasture meadow this time last year! Not to mention nettles, creeping buttercups and brambles... Now it takes me about 5 minutes to wriggle the fork through the crust, but once I've done that the roots do slide out easily. Not my favourite method, I have to say; I'm one for heavy mulching & excluding light where possible, but rules are rules, & bare earth & spade cultivation is The Only Way allowed... except, apparently, next door, who just Roundup everything, despite the fact we're not supposed to use chemicals in any way, shape or form. I'm not amused that they've "helpfully" sprayed the path, and half of my strawberries...

    I'm way behind on the planting, as it's been so cold & we have no greenhouse (we're allowed a 6' shed OR a greenhouse, and I'm not carrying all the tools a mile each way every time, and we don't have anywhere suitable for a greenhouse at home) but we're a month ahead of last year & we got plenty out of the plot anyway. That said, last year I bought in some of the plants from a friend who runs a nursery; whilst I'm very happy to support their business, I'd rather keep a bit more of our money in my pocket this year!
    Angie

    GC May 18 £326.16/£400
    Bulk-buy purse '18 £145.26/£250, pet & livestock food '18 £131.45/£300

    Money's just a substitute for time & talent...
    • dND
    • By dND 14th May 18, 8:37 AM
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    dND
    A book about a flat earth (Strata), by this guy called Terry Pratchett whom no one seemed to have heard of, when I went off raving about how brilliant it was. That 30p changed my reading life forever; I joke I have dual nationality - English and Discworld.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    Strata and Dark side of the Sun are two of my most favourite books. Much as I too love Discworld I was sad he didn't write more like them as well
    Unfortunatly all the TP books I bought were as gifts to my ex; first priority once I get back to the UK is to rebuild the library from the Cs's

    Nice to know we're all mad together

    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 14th May 18, 12:26 PM
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    DigForVictory
    I wandered into SF&F with Six Million Dollar Man & startled the local librarian by reading the original Caidin book. Not all of which I understood, being 9, but enough to get the idea on the human-machine interface & for years I was robust about being accident prone - if it meant I had to have a prosthesis, Brilliant.
    Met Pern at school (and joined one of several who'd slip out of RL into another planet thank you when things got too much) & thence the Talents, which was to come in handy & other works.

    As I baled off to University, joined the SFSoc, found people prepared to lend (to convert) and then had an epileptic seizure. All my plans to be part of cutting edge prosthesis research went west in that half minute.

    The SF&F world helped me cope with being 'different' when those I'd been to school with were wondering if epilepsy was a step along path to insanity (how the devil can you judge when we'd been equally eccentric together?), fatal (well everything is eventually) or even the hallmark of a witch (oh good heavens - they'd seen the complete havers I made of the biology & chemistry labs, did they imagine a cauldron & I would do Any better?!) - and of that cadre 4 went off to train as doctors.

    I wondered rather hard at the time & Haven't changed my views a great deal since. Most doctors may be superbly educated & qualified, but when it comes to Common Sense, they are several sandwiches short of a picnic. That said, when I need a bone setting I don't want Common Sense I want a radiologist, and an anesthetist & the full trauma team please & I'll keep my views on their ability to change a fuse to myself.

    So when I need to get away from things a bit, I reach for a book. (The kindle app was the first thing onto my phone.). And it might be cyberpunk, or Discworld, or Gibson, or Gaiman (I'll invite you to imagine the whoop of delight when I got a pair of free tickets to see him live in Liverpool, in what turned out to be the week before Pratchett left us) or McCaffrey or Niven or Eddings or Tolkein or EE Doc Smith - or even Jane Austen as frankly one Not-This Universe is all I require from a book & Shakespeare can conjure me into mischief as quickly and as remotely as any planet or Pemberly.

    And even as I leap gleefully down the rabbithole, or what/where ever, I am just thankful for the literacy that allows me to read for fun. As America has a direct correlation between the 10-11 year males who cannot, & their prison population.

    Amongst all our prepping, let us make darn sure the children can read.

    But also, read for your health & recovery!
    "University of Gothenburg. "Fiction reading as medicine." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 21 October 2013."
    Now I can load someone's kindle with a twinkle "doctors orders!"...
    Last edited by DigForVictory; 14-05-2018 at 2:04 PM. Reason: research link popped up on fitness app, aptly.
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