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    • sexymouse
    • By sexymouse 13th Apr 16, 11:29 AM
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    Official Trying to Conceive - Thread 13
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    • 13th Apr 16, 11:29 AM
    Official Trying to Conceive - Thread 13 13th Apr 16 at 11:29 AM
    This is the new thread for those trying for a baby.
    The previous one is here:
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5143999

    Please be aware that this is a thread for those trying to conceive. If you wish to announce a pregnancy (or are only a couple of days from testing) and you have never used this thread before, please either wait until CD1 or use the less than 12 weeks pregnant thread. Hormones can run high on here (nature of the thread!) so please be sensitive. Many thanks!

    List of Users
    Alex_88 TTC #1 since 09/15
    angel11 (34) TTC #1 Since 08/15
    Apple1985 (30) TTC #1 Since 12/15
    big5
    (33) TTC #2 Since 2/16
    cats2012 (27) TTC #1 Since 05/15
    Clarabell1984 (31) TTC #1 Since 09/15
    easilydistracted (33) TTC#1 Since 01/16
    Keekee (38) TTC #1 Since 05/15
    MancMama4 (35) TTC #1 () Since 04/15
    Meepmeep (40) TTC #1 Since 01/16
    Midget1907 (29) TTC #1 Since 09/15
    Milliebob (27) TTC #2 Since 05/15
    newthrift (25) TTC #1 Since 11/15
    pinkpetal (36) TTC #1 Since 10/15
    sexymouse (32) TTC #3 (
    ) Since 02/16
    Tinks05 (27) TTC #1 Since 03/16
    VicVics (29) TTC #2 Since 04/16

    Those with * used Preseed/Conceive Plus

    Thread Graduates
    big5 BFP 15/6/16
    sexymouse BFP 4/6/16
    newthrift BFP 23/5/16
    VicVics BFP 16/5/16
    MancMama4 BFP 29/4/16
    pinkpetal BFP 24/4/16
    Apple1985 BFP 19/4/16
    Tinks05 BFP 18/4/16

    Link to abbreviations courtesy of MadMac from previous threads - http://www.tryingtoconceive.com/abbrevs.htm

    The most common ones are:

    AF - Aunt Flo (period)
    BFP - Big Fat Positive (+ on home pregnancy test)
    BD - Baby dance (making babies)
    CBFM - Clearblue fertility monitor
    CD - Cycle date (CD1 is the 1st day of period)
    DPO - Days past ovulation (if ovulation was on CD15, then that is 0DPO, CD16 is 1DPO)
    HPT - Home Pregnancy Test
    IC - Internet cheapie (IC OPKs, hpts)
    NTNP - Not trying not preventing (pregnancy)
    OV - ovulation
    OPK - ovulation predictor kits
    SBDTA - Sticky baby dust to all
    SS - symptom spotting
    Temp - temperature (BBT)
    TLP - Tiny little positive (faint positive on pregnancy test)

    Also, an useful website telling you when to test, when you are ovulating and how the egg is developing etc found by Smash7 is here: http://www.pregnology.com

    This website is also useful http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm
    It details the Sperm Meets Egg Plan (SMEP) which some have found helpful in conceiving.

    Some TMI cm pics here:
    http://www.fertilityuk.org/nfps401.html

    Drugs you can take when pregnant
    Some CBFM FAQs
    Vitamins and minerals that can aid conception and pregnancy

    Sensitivity of home pregnancy tests (lower = more sensitive, earlier results)
    Superdrug Own Brand (pink box - states can use 4 days before late AF on box) 10mIU
    First Vue dip tests (poundland) - 20mIU
    One step midstream (ALDI) - 25mIU
    Clearblue - 25mIU
    Clearblue Digital - 50mIU
    First response early response - 12.5mIU
    Boots own brand - 25mIU/50mIU
    Sainsburys own - 15mIU
    Tesco own - 25mIU
    ASDA own - 25mIU
    CBD with conception indicator - 25mIU

    There is no such thing as a silly question, so please ask anything you are curious about. Many of us have 'been there done that' and many of our graduates still read this thread and are happy to offer advice when it is needed and relevant.

    As with everything deemed medical, we cannot offer medical advice, so please visit or call your GP if you have any concerns or questions. Getting a preconception check up is recommended and allows your GP to know that you're trying for a baby as well as identifying and rectifying any issues or problems that may interfere with a pregnancy before you conceive.

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    • Snowbird
    • By Snowbird 16th May 19, 6:08 PM
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    Snowbird
    Hi,
    skimper has just advised me to jin this thread.
    I am going to the GP with someone who cannot speak English very well.
    She has been trying for 3 or so years now. She has very irregular periods. I think no sign for months now. I don't think she has POCS.
    Would the GP give her ovulation enhancing drugs without further tests? Or would she have to see a fertility specialist first?
    She had an appointment for the fertility clinic but when she went the doctor did not turn up and has not recontacted her. She is afraid to phone the hospital. I will get the number of course and ring them.
    She went back to the GP who was very dismissive and told her she should not be thinking about children at her age. She is too young. She is 24.
    I was just hoping that the GP might be able to give her some ovulation enhancing drugs while she waits?
    • CRANKY40
    • By CRANKY40 16th May 19, 6:53 PM
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    CRANKY40
    The gp won't give ovulation enhancing drugs without a referral to a fertility specialist as there are checks that need to be done. Before I was referred my husband had to have a sperm analysis as there is no point referring for treatment if there is a problem there.

    Once your friend has as appointment with a fertility specialist she will need blood tests to check hormone levels and ensure that they are normal. If everything looks normal at that point she will then need a test to make sure that she doesn't have blocked fallopian tubes. After that comes the fertility enhancing drugs if appropriate.
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    • Snowbird
    • By Snowbird 16th May 19, 7:01 PM
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    Snowbird
    The gp won't give ovulation enhancing drugs without a referral to a fertility specialist as there are checks that need to be done. Before I was referred my husband had to have a sperm analysis as there is no point referring for treatment if there is a problem there.

    Once your friend has as appointment with a fertility specialist she will need blood tests to check hormone levels and ensure that they are normal. If everything looks normal at that point she will then need a test to make sure that she doesn't have blocked fallopian tubes. After that comes the fertility enhancing drugs if appropriate.
    Originally posted by CRANKY40
    Husband is not keen on the idea. His view is that if god wants them to have a child.......
    So not sure the extent that he will be involved. Would the GP refer without the husband? He did know the first time she went to the fertility clinic (when she was stood up) but he made an excuse for not going. TBH its more likely that its her anyway (In view of the periods)
    • PrettyKittyKat
    • By PrettyKittyKat 16th May 19, 8:06 PM
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    Hi snowbird, welcome to the thread. I'm afraid it isn't that simple (If only it was!). It sounds strange that your friend would be able to go straight to a fertility clinic to see a doctor and them just not turn up - are you in the UK? You can go to a fertility clinic for a general look around (but you won't see a doctor) otherwise you need a GP referral unless you are paying privately of course.

    At the moment you have no idea whether she has PCOS. If she is having irregular periods then it is definitely a possibility but not definite. My cousin had regular periods but her result showed she wasn't ovulating, and thus was diagnosed with PCOS.

    Your friend needs to tell the GP that she has been trying to conceive for 3 years with no luck. The GP will be able to order blood tests to check your friends hormone levels at day 1-5 and then day 21 (this one checks whether ovulation has taken place). However the day 21 is based upon a typical 28 day cycle so will need adjusting accordingly for your friends cycle length, it wll make it more difficult to check if her cycles are irregular. After this the GP may then consider a referral to a fertility specialist.... this can take a few weeks to go through. Once with the fertility specialists the process can be quick for some or long for others. My friend has been with her local hospital fertility team for 12 months and so far has only had investigatory tests - it all depends on your personal circumstances.

    It is all abit 'muddy' sadly. Fingers crossed you can help your friend communicate effectively with the GP. if this one if unsympathetic then I would suggest seeing another one!
    • Snowbird
    • By Snowbird 16th May 19, 8:52 PM
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    Snowbird
    Hi snowbird, welcome to the thread. I'm afraid it isn't that simple (If only it was!). It sounds strange that your friend would be able to go straight to a fertility clinic to see a doctor and them just not turn up - are you in the UK? You can go to a fertility clinic for a general look around (but you won't see a doctor) otherwise you need a GP referral unless you are paying privately of course.

    At the moment you have no idea whether she has PCOS. If she is having irregular periods then it is definitely a possibility but not definite. My cousin had regular periods but her result showed she wasn't ovulating, and thus was diagnosed with PCOS.

    Your friend needs to tell the GP that she has been trying to conceive for 3 years with no luck. The GP will be able to order blood tests to check your friends hormone levels at day 1-5 and then day 21 (this one checks whether ovulation has taken place). However the day 21 is based upon a typical 28 day cycle so will need adjusting accordingly for your friends cycle length, it wll make it more difficult to check if her cycles are irregular. After this the GP may then consider a referral to a fertility specialist.... this can take a few weeks to go through. Once with the fertility specialists the process can be quick for some or long for others. My friend has been with her local hospital fertility team for 12 months and so far has only had investigatory tests - it all depends on your personal circumstances.

    It is all abit 'muddy' sadly. Fingers crossed you can help your friend communicate effectively with the GP. if this one if unsympathetic then I would suggest seeing another one!
    Originally posted by PrettyKittyKat
    You are right. I have no idea she has not POCS. But in view of the periods, and she also has an underactive thyroid which apparently can cause ovulation problems. It seems likely. Apparently she has been referred to the fertility specialist but when she got there no one turned up. They said they would phone to make another appointment but no one phoned up. The nurse at the GP told her that there was nothing she could do about it, and anyway she was too young to start a family. She has plenty of time. So she was terrified to then so the GP.
    I may just get the appointment card from the specialist and try to rearrange it. She is too nervous to do that herself. She did not think it was allowed.
    Yes, we are in the UK by the way.
    • PrettyKittyKat
    • By PrettyKittyKat 17th May 19, 7:02 PM
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    What an unsympathetic nurse! I suspect the nurse wouldn't be able to do anything about though, as it is a GP that needs to make the referral. I think you going with her may be the best idea as it is a sensitive and technical topic it is hard enough to understand when you understand fully, so it must be so difficult for her if she doesn't fully understand english. I also believe that if you don't speak english very well you can request a translator when visiting the GP? I think it is a company the GP can call and put on speakphone to translate between the two parties (just incase this is something she can arrange for future visits!)
    • Snowbird
    • By Snowbird 17th May 19, 7:34 PM
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    Snowbird
    What an unsympathetic nurse! I suspect the nurse wouldn't be able to do anything about though, as it is a GP that needs to make the referral. I think you going with her may be the best idea as it is a sensitive and technical topic it is hard enough to understand when you understand fully, so it must be so difficult for her if she doesn't fully understand english. I also believe that if you don't speak english very well you can request a translator when visiting the GP? I think it is a company the GP can call and put on speakphone to translate between the two parties (just incase this is something she can arrange for future visits!)
    Originally posted by PrettyKittyKat
    Its really more than a translator that she needs. She needs someone who can help her navigate their way round the system. And she needs a friend.
    Her own mother lives thousands of miles away and is telling her that everyone is asking when she will have a baby and she needs to get on with it. Her mother in law is a virtual hermit and wont go out. Her husband does not want her talking to his sister in laws. He works all hours and he says he is too tired to go to the hospital and anyway if it is what god wants........
    I am thinking it might be better to try to resurrect the fertility clinic appointment. But I need her reference numbers etc. Hopefully she has kept them.
    She said the nurse was calling her a liar because she said she had only been trying since december. I know she would not lie. Its just got lost in translation.
    What a mess!
    • PrettyKittyKat
    • By PrettyKittyKat 18th May 19, 10:06 AM
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    Oh yes I agree she definitely needs a friend! I just mean for future for anything else she may need to see the Doctor for or for any fertility appointments you may not be able to attend with her (as she may need to have many).
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