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    • spud17
    • By spud17 27th Mar 16, 11:57 AM
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    Win 7 install UPDATE
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    • 27th Mar 16, 11:57 AM
    Win 7 install UPDATE 27th Mar 16 at 11:57 AM
    A few of us on here have been posting about problems with getting new installs of Win 7 to update.

    After many attempts trying suggestions from this forum, the internet and a few of my own, I can report that it now appears to be updating.

    Because of trying so many fixes, I had decided on yet another reinstall.
    I installed Win 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bit, at 12.30pm on Saturday 26th, for some reason that required phone activation.

    All I did was to install the latest Update Agent , then selected 'Notify but don't download' in the updates settings.
    I made sure BITS was running and selected 'Check for updates'.
    I checked at various times, then around 11.00 am Sunday 27th, I saw the HD activity light going crazy.
    Result, 215 important updates (992MB), and 11 optional updates.
    Conclusion, despite all the various fixes, it seems that time is the main factor.
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    • Swipe
    • By Swipe 27th Mar 16, 5:50 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 5:50 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 5:50 PM
    This has started playing up on my mum's laptop now. I'm really getting fed up with this crap. I don't have hours to spend troubleshooting this. Think I'll stick Linux mint on for her instead when the next LTS comes out. At least I know the updates will work properly.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 27th Mar 16, 6:04 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 6:04 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 6:04 PM
    I checked at various times, then around 11.00 am Sunday 27th, I saw the HD activity light going crazy.
    Result, 215 important updates (992MB), and 11 optional updates.
    Conclusion, despite all the various fixes, it seems that time is the main factor.
    Originally posted by spud17
    It took a clean installation of W7 nearly 24 hours to work out which updates it needed?! What's going on, Microsoft?!

    Glad you got it working eventually.
    • ChiefGrasscutter
    • By ChiefGrasscutter 27th Mar 16, 6:35 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 6:35 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 6:35 PM
    Last week I did a update from a factory image re-set stage.
    (Having read that other thread on here about those with problems)
    So the base factory install was at SP1 initially.
    This was Win 7 Pro 64 bit.

    I set updates settings to notify but not download (so I can deselect the win 10 nagware KB's prior you understand!)
    First it downloaded a revised update program.
    Then it took several hours, probably 3 to 4 to find and list the 200+ updates.
    This was late afternoon UK time
    During this time very little was downloaded but there was a lot of cpu activity.
    Once I had unticked the unsavory ones it then spent the same amount of time downloading and doing the updates and I let it do all 200+ in one go.
    Although it claimed 950MB need to be downloaded it actually only downloaded around 500MB according to task manager.

    Edit:
    The next day it found another 32 updates quite normally (included of course [sigh]the win10 nagware ones I'd deselected the previous day)
    Last edited by ChiefGrasscutter; 27-03-2016 at 6:42 PM.
    • spannerzone
    • By spannerzone 27th Mar 16, 8:12 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 8:12 PM
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    • 27th Mar 16, 8:12 PM
    This was discussed on Digital Spy, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=81882487&postcount=11

    "install two 3MB hotfixes in sequence, KB3102810 and KB3135445, after which Windows Update only takes a few minutes."

    I've had several W7 new installs take many hours overnight to search and finally find the 200+ updates..... the info in the link above shows how to install 2 fixes that solves this problem!

    Never trust information given by strangers on internet forums
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 28th Mar 16, 12:40 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 12:40 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 12:40 AM
    This was discussed on Digital Spy, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=81882487&postcount=11

    "install two 3MB hotfixes in sequence, KB3102810 and KB3135445, after which Windows Update only takes a few minutes."

    I've had several W7 new installs take many hours overnight to search and finally find the 200+ updates..... the info in the link above shows how to install 2 fixes that solves this problem!
    Originally posted by spannerzone
    the problem is that it doesn't always solve the issue, and I've tried on many machines..... still can take 24 hrs to find the first lot
    ......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 28th Mar 16, 12:53 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 12:53 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 12:53 AM
    This was discussed on Digital Spy, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=81882487&postcount=11

    "install two 3MB hotfixes in sequence, KB3102810 and KB3135445, after which Windows Update only takes a few minutes."

    I've had several W7 new installs take many hours overnight to search and finally find the 200+ updates..... the info in the link above shows how to install 2 fixes that solves this problem!
    Originally posted by spannerzone
    Oh -- that's interesting. After trying many, many things on one of the affected PCs, I found that uninstalling SP1, installing KB3102810 (one of the ones you mentioned above), then reinstalling SP1 fixed the problem.
    • spud17
    • By spud17 28th Mar 16, 10:08 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 10:08 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 10:08 AM
    This was discussed on Digital Spy, http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=81882487&postcount=11

    "install two 3MB hotfixes in sequence, KB3102810 and KB3135445, after which Windows Update only takes a few minutes."

    I've had several W7 new installs take many hours overnight to search and finally find the 200+ updates..... the info in the link above shows how to install 2 fixes that solves this problem!
    Originally posted by spannerzone
    That does look worth trying, but I'm not going to start back over again just to test it.
    However, I've spent the last few weekends reading similar posts. I've tried many of the 'solutions', back in September 2015 I posted what worked for me.
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=69096582&postcount=57
    That didn't work this time.
    One post I read claimed to have solved the update problems by changing the dns settings in the router over to Google (8.8.8.8).

    It hurts me, but I'm agreeing with GJ, .

    ChiefGrasscutter
    That new revised update program is probably the one that I downloaded separately and installed before looking for updates.

    edit:I installed GWX yesterday to repel Win 10 for the time being. I've just turned on pc and now have 21 Important updates and 10 optional.
    Last edited by spud17; 28-03-2016 at 11:02 AM.
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 28th Mar 16, 11:01 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 11:01 AM
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    • 28th Mar 16, 11:01 AM
    It hurts me, but I'm agreeing with GJ, .
    Originally posted by spud17
    spud, I'm crushed
    ......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......
    • spud17
    • By spud17 28th Mar 16, 11:42 AM
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    spud, I'm crushed
    Originally posted by GunJack
    Keep it quiet, DCM gets jealous.
    edit; Just net 4.6.1 update to go, think I got number right.
    Last edited by spud17; 28-03-2016 at 11:45 AM.
    • spannerzone
    • By spannerzone 28th Mar 16, 4:51 PM
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    the problem is that it doesn't always solve the issue, and I've tried on many machines..... still can take 24 hrs to find the first lot
    Originally posted by GunJack
    Hmm that's a shame, I've not tried the fix as no need at the moment but a month ago I could have done with that potential fix. Leaving a PC running overnight to find the updates is madness!

    I think between 7 and 9 hours was the time it took to find update

    Never trust information given by strangers on internet forums
    • spud17
    • By spud17 28th Mar 16, 9:58 PM
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    I had a read of that thread from digitalspy, again there seems to be no consensus on what really works reliably.
    Some have done the same as I did back in September, install IE 11 from a single download and that somehow kickstarts the updates.


    http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=81880942#post81880942

    The time to install the updates once you have them is getting ridiculous. I know the pc I was using is only an old AMD dual core with 4GB ram, but it took 6 +hrs to get to the first reboot.
    Last edited by spud17; 28-03-2016 at 10:01 PM.
    • elektra
    • By elektra 29th Mar 16, 5:33 PM
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    I thought I would test this out on an older box, but no improvements

    Checking updates time has been consistent at 2 hours.

    First attempt - check for updates took 2 hours.

    Installed the latest update agent, installed KB3102810 - check for updates still took 2 hours.

    Saw the post on DS so tried installing KB3135445 - check for updates still took 2 hours.

    I think it is Microsoft's way of punishing those of us that don't have automatic updates on and are not accepting the push to W10.
    • spud17
    • By spud17 29th Mar 16, 9:19 PM
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    I thought I would test this out on an older box, but no improvements

    Checking updates time has been consistent at 2 hours.

    First attempt - check for updates took 2 hours.

    Installed the latest update agent, installed KB3102810 - check for updates still took 2 hours.

    Saw the post on DS so tried installing KB3135445 - check for updates still took 2 hours.

    I think it is Microsoft's way of punishing those of us that don't have automatic updates on and are not accepting the push to W10.
    Originally posted by elektra


    Thanks for your persistence.
    One of my attempts was to just let automatic updates run, after a couple of hours it had installed the latest Windows Update Agent.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/949104

    Then nothing for several hours, when I gave up.
    The latest WUA is the same file that I installed first, to save time in my final successful attempt.
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