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    • MSE Martin
    • By MSE Martin 3rd Sep 07, 1:23 PM
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    The Great "Staying Behind The Joneses" Hunt
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    • 3rd Sep 07, 1:23 PM
    The Great "Staying Behind The Joneses" Hunt 3rd Sep 07 at 1:23 PM
    If you’re not competitive about having the latest, flashiest television or games console, it’s possible to pick up some amazing electrical bargains second-hand. Gadgets that were state-of-the-art a couple of years ago often sell for a fraction of the price.

    Take old-style CRT televisions: Ebay is full of perfectly-decent widescreen tellys which cost over half-a-grand three years ago, now selling for under £50, as people upgrade to LCD and HD-TV. I want to tap MoneySavers expertise to find out which other out of fashion gizmos people flogging off for cheap; be it CRT TVs, Xboxes or film cameras, and where to get them. Plus, is there anything you should avoid buying second hand?


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  • Twon
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    • 3rd Sep 07, 3:04 PM
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    • 3rd Sep 07, 3:04 PM
    If youíre not competitive about having the latest, flashiest television or games console, itís possible to pick up some amazing electrical bargains second-hand. Gadgets that were state-of-the-art a couple of years ago often sell for a fraction of the price.

    Take old-style CRT televisions: Ebay is full of perfectly-decent widescreen tellys which cost over half-a-grand three years ago, now selling for under £50, as people upgrade to LCD and HD-TV. I want to tap MoneySavers expertise to find out which other out of fashion gizmos people flogging off for cheap; be it CRT TVs, Xboxes or film cameras. Plus, is there anything you should avoid buying second hand?


    Please post below to add your ideas.
    Originally posted by MSE Martin
    I'd recommend brand names if you are going for 2nd hand Audio/Visual equipment.

    Sony
    Phillips
    Pioneer
    Panasonic

    If you have the space get a nice 32 crt widescreen Sony. The picture quality (on DVD's and SD broadcast TV) will be much better than on most 32 LCD's available.

    Check out the free ads in supermarkets for bargains but also get over onto the AVForums (www.avforums.co.uk) for their for sale boards.

    Audio stuff, Same rules apply.

    Gaming, get yourself an Xbox (£40) and soft mod it. You can then back-up your games and if you are feeling a little rich you can get a hard modded Xbox with a larger hard drive.

    Don't fall for the HD tv myth that has appeared. Its not worth it. I do have a 32inch HD-Lcd TV that I got from sainsburys. It cost me £150 after I used my nectar points AND sold my old TV.



    Twon
  • Garnet_Gem
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    • 3rd Sep 07, 3:25 PM
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    • 3rd Sep 07, 3:25 PM
    I bought a £400 Sony widescreen tv 3 years ago. On a debt programme a similar tv was sold for £50 secondhand. I plan to keep my tv till it won't go (my last one (Sony) lasted 12 years) but I'm fed up with people telling me about all the "bargains" in the new screen types. I don't care about being fashionable, I just want to watch a clear picture screen. BTW I paid for my tv unlike several friends who admitted they paid by credit card because "they're so expensive".
    Last edited by Former MSE Lawrence; 10-09-2007 at 11:41 AM.
    • deanos
    • By deanos 4th Sep 07, 9:14 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 9:14 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 9:14 PM
    Alot of companys sell ex returns on Ebay, Pixmania have an outllet on Ebay, i picked up a Panasonic DVD recorder with freeview & HDMI upscaling for £65, they are selling for £150 elsewhere, i still got a 1year warranty and its like new

    http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/348807/art/panasonic/dmrez25-dvd-player-record.html

    http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZpixmania-uk
    Last edited by deanos; 04-09-2007 at 9:17 PM.
    • Patr100
    • By Patr100 4th Sep 07, 9:16 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 9:16 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 9:16 PM
    Having the very latest and fastest processor adds quite a price to a PC - eg quad core - but you pay a premium - you often get a better deal overall by choosing a processor speed or type that is say a few months old without much actual noticeable difference for most users.
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    • mallymal
    • By mallymal 4th Sep 07, 10:47 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 10:47 PM
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    • 4th Sep 07, 10:47 PM
    I just go for "last season's" models.

    Eg, at work we bought a DIGITAL SLR camera - a Nikon D50, which takes beautiful shots and is very user friendly.

    I was so taken with it that only a matter of months later, I decided to buy one for myself. Unforunately all the regular outlets (dixons, Jessops) etc said it was discontinued. But I did some digging on the web, knowing somebody somewhere would be clearing them out, and in the end I picked one up for £300.

    The replacement Nikon is a D40, and most reviews say you can barely perceive any difference - a new D40 would be aound £400.

    So sometimes "old stock" isn't old technology, it's simply not "this year's colour".
    • gord115
    • By gord115 5th Sep 07, 8:58 AM
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    • 5th Sep 07, 8:58 AM
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    • 5th Sep 07, 8:58 AM
    I bought a Sony crt 32" (KD-32DC11U) tv a couple of years ago with built in freeview.
    Many of my friends are now buying 37" and 43" lcd tvs but I can honestly say not one of them has a good a picture as my Sony. I'll be keeping mine for a while yet. if you can get one of these you wont regret it.
    • BillScarab
    • By BillScarab 5th Sep 07, 9:24 AM
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    • 5th Sep 07, 9:24 AM
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    I bought a second hand 32" JVC TV off a colleague when he bought a Plasma, the picture is excellent, far better than cheap LCDs. It also meant I could give my old TV to my Mom as it was a bigger set than hers.

    If you're buying a new PC buy one with one of the cheaper models of core 2 duo processors and overclock it to get a free performance boost. It's very easy to do and doesn't cost a penny, if you spend £20 on a better fan you can get even more performance out of it.
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  • spyke23
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    • 5th Sep 07, 12:57 PM
    consoles.
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    • 5th Sep 07, 12:57 PM
    i always reckon previous generation consoles are a great bet. Nintendo Gamecube, is available for £25 from most places with some great games from around £5. Also the old XBOX can be used as a media centre for playing yer divx movies etc. Just google "xbox xmbc".

    plus old laptops? try running low overhead linux distributions on them, like puppy dog linux, damn small linux, or older versions of ubuntu. i got an old hp laptop which runs like a blinder with ubuntu, and totally usable, and un-knackerable for less tech support calls...
    • bham-dave
    • By bham-dave 5th Sep 07, 1:59 PM
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    I bought a Sony crt 32" (KD-32DC11U) tv a couple of years ago with built in freeview.
    Many of my friends are now buying 37" and 43" lcd tvs but I can honestly say not one of them has a good a picture as my Sony. I'll be keeping mine for a while yet. if you can get one of these you wont regret it.
    Originally posted by gord115
    What are Sony CRT TVs like for displaying 4:3 material in 4:3? I've heard this can be a real problem on widescreen TVs (still on an old 4:3 set myself!).
    • superscaper
    • By superscaper 5th Sep 07, 2:04 PM
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    What are Sony CRT TVs like for displaying 4:3 material in 4:3? I've heard this can be a real problem on widescreen TVs (still on an old 4:3 set myself!).
    Originally posted by bham-dave
    Not sure why it's a problem? Surely if anything you're spoilt for choice in displaying 4:3. True 4:3, 14:9, Zoom 16:9, stretch to 16:9 etc etc.
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    • bham-dave
    • By bham-dave 5th Sep 07, 2:26 PM
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    Not sure why it's a problem? Surely if anything you're spoilt for choice in displaying 4:3. True 4:3, 14:9, Zoom 16:9, stretch to 16:9 etc etc.
    Originally posted by superscaper
    I'd only ever watch 4:3 material in true 4:3 - always amazed at those who stretch the picture - it looks awful.

    My question related solely to true 4:3 as the geometry of the picture can sometimes look a mess on some widescreen TVs.
  • djeggy69
    I hope this information helpsat least one person...then it has worked!

    HDTV
    Don't believe the hype. You only need HDTV if you currently have Sky or are thinking of getting Sky. Even then they only have about 5 or 6 channels which are High Definition; Sky Sports 1,2,3, National Geographic, Sky 1 (I think) BBC (again I think) is high def but only on SKy.

    HD will NEVER make it onto freeview as the bandwith (think of this as the tube in which things arrive at your TV) is only so big. If anybody were to have an HDTV channel on Freeview, then it would take up about 5 or 6 other channel spaces...so you can imagine if a few did it, you've already lost 15 or so other channels.

    Also, don't be fooled by the supermarkets selling a "good brand" at a cheap price. They can do this as they are selling old "generations" of the technology. So for instance they might sell a 32" Phillips for £500, sounds a great deal...but the reason it is so cheap is becuase Phillips have already improved the technology in their latest models and are on generation 5 or 6 of the screen...the one you will buy from the supermarket would be generation 3 or 4...maybe even 2.

    Before buying an LCD or Plasma have a think of what you need it for. I did buy one and I got it cheap and cheerful for around £400 (Mirai 32") as I will only use the HD from my xbox 360. I will be watching normal freeview so new that a top quality picture output wasn't what I wanted, the picture quality isn't that much better from a standard CRT set. I will never own Sky as I simply can't afford it (24 yr old first time buyer...but that's another story!)

    Personally a SONY CRT is a great buy...they last years and are dead sharp...only !!!!!! is my old one was 44" deep so they can be beasts!

    try http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39030216,1,00.htm it's a wonderfully easy sight to use and doesn't baffle you...it helped me

    Hope this helps someone
    Last edited by Former MSE Lawrence; 10-09-2007 at 11:37 AM.
    • BillScarab
    • By BillScarab 5th Sep 07, 3:24 PM
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    HDTV
    Don't believe the hype. You only need HDTV if you currently have Sky or are thinking of getting Sky. Even then they only have about 5 or 6 channels which are High Definition; Sky Sports 1,2,3, National Geographic, Sky 1 (I think) BBC (again I think) is high def but only on SKy.

    HD will NEVER make it onto freeview as the bandwith (think of this as the tube in which things arrive at your TV) is only so big. If anybody were to have an HDTV channel on Freeview, then it would take up about 5 or 6 other channel spaces...so you can imagine if a few did it, you've already lost 15 or so other channels.
    Originally posted by djeggy69
    Or cable! I know they don't have much HD content yet but they do have some and hopefully more to come. Also what about if you have a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive, or Xbox 360 or PS3?
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    • saubryn
    • By saubryn 5th Sep 07, 3:38 PM
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    I have an XBox 360, and I find that certain games are very annoying to play on my old 28in TV because the text is too blury to read. I've seen those games on HD TVs and they're much nicer.

    Instead of buying a HD TV I bought a cable that allows you to plug the 360 into a computer moniter, and play it on an old CRT we had lying around - sure, the CRT is only 19in, so it's not ideal, but it means I can play those games without having to shell out several hundred pounds which we can't afford.

    Having seen the difference, a lot of my friends are moving their 360s from the living room to their computer room, to play on the computer monitors as well.
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    • superscaper
    • By superscaper 5th Sep 07, 3:50 PM
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    I'd only ever watch 4:3 material in true 4:3 - always amazed at those who stretch the picture - it looks awful.

    My question related solely to true 4:3 as the geometry of the picture can sometimes look a mess on some widescreen TVs.
    Originally posted by bham-dave
    I know what you mean which is why I never watch it stretched on a widescreen, I always watch it in either true 4:3 or 14:9. The stretching is of course purely down to the end user either choosing it like that or leaving it to default to that. No widescreen TV I've ever used has HAD to stretch the picture to a different aspect ratio.
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    • superscaper
    • By superscaper 5th Sep 07, 3:54 PM
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    HDTV
    Don't believe the hype. You only need HDTV if you currently have Sky or are thinking of getting Sky. Even then they only have about 5 or 6 channels which are High Definition; Sky Sports 1,2,3, National Geographic, Sky 1 (I think) BBC (again I think) is high def but only on SKy.
    Originally posted by djeggy69
    HD isn't restricted to just sky you know. XBOX360 (with hdmi) games, PS3 games, HD-DVD, Blu Ray, DVD upscaling, cable. In fact terrestrial broadcast is just about the only current thing that isn't HD for the foreseeable future.

    EDIT: I know I missed reading BillScarab's post but at least we're in agreement
    "She is quite the oddball. Did you notice how she didn't even get excited when she saw this original ZX-81?"
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  • brownbake
    Panasonic 32" + extras £118
    Hi I bought a Panasonic 32" CRT tv, Panasonic DVD recorder and Nokia Freeview box off Ebay for the grand total of £118 earlier this year!! They were all 3 years old and had all instructions, stand and original remotes. Oh yes it had dolby 5 speaker surround sound too!! I bought them off a couple in their 80's who had just upgraded to a 50" Panasonic LCD.

    I put in a speculative bid of £120 then went out for the night - when I came in the next day I found out I had won all that gear for £118. Only downside was that it was a 6hr round trip to pick it up!! lol

    I also bought another Panasonic Dolby 32" flatscreen off Ebay for my girlfriends birthday for £80 - that came with a dvd player and video recorder!!
    Only problem with that one was the tv weighs about 55kg and she lives on the first floor!!

    You can turn your PS2 into a game jukebox. You need some software called hd advance or hd loader which is free on the net. A network adaptor available on Ebay - no longer stocked in shops, and an IDE hard drive - put the game in - load to the hard drive - then play. You must own the original game to be able to store it

    For about £70 you can achieve all this with a 200 gig hard drive that holds around 60 - 80 games. Hope this helps some of y'all!!

    Cheers
    • FatDickie
    • By FatDickie 5th Sep 07, 10:05 PM
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    Bought a 3 year old Sony 28" 100mhz Widescreen CRT TV a few months ago off Ebay for just under £50. The guy had paid over £800 for it.

    Has an amazing picture and 3 scart sockets (so no more fiddling around the back changing leads for Sky. DVD or games console leads).
    • gord115
    • By gord115 6th Sep 07, 9:30 AM
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    What are Sony CRT TVs like for displaying 4:3 material in 4:3? I've heard this can be a real problem on widescreen TVs (still on an old 4:3 set myself!).
    Originally posted by bham-dave
    Never found it to be a problem, the menu is set to show everything in widescreen and i've never noticed a difference
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