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    • happyc84
    • By happyc84 26th Mar 15, 8:47 PM
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    non vat receipts from petrol stations - why
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    • 26th Mar 15, 8:47 PM
    non vat receipts from petrol stations - why 26th Mar 15 at 8:47 PM
    Been buying fuel for many years, and still get the odd retailer, who when you pay they give you a card receipt, and then you have to ask for a VAT receipt for those who need them.

    My question - Why don't they just give you the VAT receipt at the beginning.

    Are they saving money on the paper?
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    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 26th Mar 15, 8:53 PM
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    Are they saving money on the paper?
    Originally posted by happyc84
    Yes. Unless I'm needing a VAT receipt for expenses purposes then I'm not bothered about one, just the card receipt.
    • phill99
    • By phill99 26th Mar 15, 9:29 PM
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    Because most people don't require a VAT receipt. However many petrol stations (eg Morrison's) give you a combined VAT receipt and card receipt. Tesco / Sainsburys give them both automatically.
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    • bigjl
    • By bigjl 26th Mar 15, 10:40 PM
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    • 26th Mar 15, 10:40 PM
    Been buying fuel for many years, and still get the odd retailer, who when you pay they give you a card receipt, and then you have to ask for a VAT receipt for those who need them.

    My question - Why don't they just give you the VAT receipt at the beginning.

    Are they saving money on the paper?
    Originally posted by happyc84
    Shell stations give you one receipt which is a Vat Receipt and a card receipt.
    • Nodding Donkey
    • By Nodding Donkey 27th Mar 15, 7:23 AM
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    • 27th Mar 15, 7:23 AM
    I'd guess that for most people one receipt is enough and if there card reader is the type that prints it's own receipt that will suffice.
    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 27th Mar 15, 8:42 AM
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    • 27th Mar 15, 8:42 AM
    Been buying fuel for many years, and still get the odd retailer, who when you pay they give you a card receipt, and then you have to ask for a VAT receipt for those who need them.

    My question - Why don't they just give you the VAT receipt at the beginning.

    Are they saving money on the paper?
    Originally posted by happyc84

    I agree that they should just include a VAT breakdown on the same receipt. It's only one line.


    As for saving paper, some receipts are 8 or 10 inches long. Why? Surely everything could be fitted into a couple of inches of paper?
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 27th Mar 15, 11:02 AM
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    I agree that they should just include a VAT breakdown on the same receipt. It's only one line.


    As for saving paper, some receipts are 8 or 10 inches long. Why? Surely everything could be fitted into a couple of inches of paper?
    Originally posted by LandyAndy
    One problem with that is that an awful lot of petrol stations use pumps systems that were installed long before chip & pin, so the card and pump machines don't talk to each other.

    Agreed about the size of some receipts, but not issuing the two every time does save paper, and littering as a lot of people drop the VAT one, and helps keep most of their other customer's cars tidier.

    Never found it hard to say "can I have a receipt please" as I hand over payment, so this problem's a bit of a non-problem for me to be honest!
    • bob_a_builder
    • By bob_a_builder 27th Mar 15, 11:28 AM
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    Never found it hard to say "can I have a receipt please" as I hand over payment, so this problem's a bit of a non-problem for me to be honest!
    That request might well get you a not VAT receipt, so still have to check

    They would save a lot more paper, by adding the the one line of VAT info reqd to the standard print out - then one receipt will satisfy all requests - easier for everyone all round
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 27th Mar 15, 11:29 AM
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    In my experience they look at your car + how much you've spent and then try to determine if you need a VAT receipt.

    They never ask when I put 20 in the kitcar, but they always ask when I put 70 in the Vectra.

    Generally speaking, if your car is business related, you'd fill the tank. If it's not, then people these days tend to put in just a few worth.
    So if you go and put 3 of fuel in, they'll assume you don't need a VAT receipt.
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    • colino
    • By colino 27th Mar 15, 11:41 AM
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    It's a good question OP, with decent systems and a well designed presentation, it would make sense to have a standard format, as the supermarkets have been breaking down the VATable items on your shopping for years and would save on wasted paper. Those really wanting to hug a tree needn't take a printed receipt at all. It's not like the good old days when you filled the company car, got some oil for your lawnmower, four mars bars and a bottle of Irn Bru (other gut rot is available) and it was given as a single, all inclusive receipt.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 27th Mar 15, 11:56 AM
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    That request might well get you a not VAT receipt, so still have to check

    They would save a lot more paper, by adding the the one line of VAT info reqd to the standard print out - then one receipt will satisfy all requests - easier for everyone all round
    Originally posted by bob_a_builder
    It might, but I've not seen a petrol station for years that doesn't include VAT details on their pump's printer.

    But putting that one line onto a card receipt could mean a completely new card processing system, which is hardly "easier" for them! Lots of petrol stations (certainly round here) still have a till / pump system and then a separate card terminal, and most of those separate terminals don't have a facility to add things like VAT numbers.

    Upgrading to a full integrated EPOS system is expensive and hardly justifiable by the small proportion of the small number of people who need VAT receipts who feel unable to ask for one.

    Personally, I'd rather spend my daily worry allowance on local homelessness, or world hunger, than on the need to ask for a receipt to claim back
    • stator
    • By stator 27th Mar 15, 12:12 PM
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    They can print the VAT receipt on the normal receipt, so really they're just saving about 2 lines of text.
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    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 27th Mar 15, 12:48 PM
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    They can print the VAT receipt on the normal receipt, so really they're just saving about 2 lines of text.
    Originally posted by stator
    But if you pay by card then they must give you the card receipt as part of their card processing agreement. The terminal will print it automatically and they can't stop it, and they can't normally add VAT details to it because most terminals are locked up tight for security reasons.

    So they usually give you that receipt and only print the other one if you ask for it, which the vast majority of people don't because they don't want it littering their car.
    • stator
    • By stator 27th Mar 15, 1:04 PM
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    If they chose a decent card processing system it wouldn't be a problem
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    • happyc84
    • By happyc84 27th Mar 15, 3:09 PM
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    Thanks for the replies, it's just that sometimes I forget to ask for a vat receipt, One extra line on all receipts would me.

    As my employer expects us to use our own cars for business, I'll keep claiming to cover the bills.
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