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    • Hello
    • By Hello 27th Jul 07, 10:39 AM
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    Job satisfaction vs nice people
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    • 27th Jul 07, 10:39 AM
    Job satisfaction vs nice people 27th Jul 07 at 10:39 AM
    Hello

    I need a sanity check and hope you lovely people will share your experience with me. :confused:

    I like my job, I get job satisfaction, I enjoy the tasks that I do, I get to travel the country a bit but the people I work and deal with are awful. Does anyone else have this problem?

    My job is specialised so to live in the area I want to live in near family, friends and the OH's job I have to stick with this company for the time being. I feel as if I don't have conversations - just arguements! My boss ignores me (easy from another site) and H.R are not interested. I am also tied because it is a good wage for the area and until I am debt free I can't see how I can take a lesser wage.

    Does anyone else love their job but not the people? How do you cope? Does anyone have the flip side - they love the people they work with but not the job? Is it really possible to not like someone in work and like them out of work?

    Sorry it's a bit of a rant too, but it is getting to the point of making me ill! I know I should be grateful I have a job but I do wonder sometimes if it is all worth the agro.

    What do you think?

    H

    Last edited by Former MSE Natasha; 31-07-2007 at 6:25 PM.
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    • Storm
    • By Storm 27th Jul 07, 10:54 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 10:54 AM
    Hiya

    I know exactly what you mean - I like my job, the actual work is really interesting & I can see a good career development path for myself, but the ethos of the organisation is going rapidly downhill and there are days when I wonder how long I can last here!

    Conversely a few years ago I was doing a job that was soooo dull, but the people were great fun & I'm still in touch with them even though we've not worked together for over 3 years!

    The decision I've made is that once I'm debt free I'll look around properly for other jobs, including ones at a lower salary, but unless things get worse I'll be sticking here for a while (esp as I've just been given a pay rise)

    However, if the stress of the situation is starting to make you ill, then I think you need to try and alleviate this somehow - could you take a pay cut & just pay off the debt at a slower rate, what is the minimum you could survive on each month etc?

    What sort of things are you arguing about with colleagues - work or more general stuff? If there's issues that HR should be dealing with then jump up & down until they respond - and if they still don't go to the chief exec about it!
    Total Debt 13th Sept 2006 (exc student loan): £6240.06
    O/D 1 £1250 O/D 2 £100 Next a/c £313.55@ 26.49% Mum £130 HSBC £4446.51@15.75%M&S £580.15@ 4.9%
    Total Debt 30th April 2008: £0 100% paid off!

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    • jo1972
    • By jo1972 27th Jul 07, 10:58 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 10:58 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 10:58 AM
    I'm the opposite, the people are great but the job is SOOOOOOOO boring!

    Sorry to hear you are not happy, I wish I could advise summat to make you feel better but I can't think of any other options. Maybe just post on DFW all day? We're nice

    I'm seriously considering leaving work and becoming a stay at home mummy.
    DFW Nerd no. 496 - Proud to be dealing with my debts!!
  • DHDEBTS
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:00 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:00 AM
    Hi,

    Yep I'm in the same boat as you. The job I love but I work with one particular colleague just happens to rub everyone up the wrong way. Was at a leaving do for yet another colleague who has left as a result.

    However I see it as a means to an end, and on the bad days really try and focus on the positive, ie there are other people in the building where I work that I get on well with even though they work for a different company, I'm close to home and that's a plus with young children, I finish early on a Friday yeh!!!, and it's not the worst job I've ever had.

    You are not alone
    • KittyKate
    • By KittyKate 27th Jul 07, 11:02 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:02 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:02 AM
    I totally know how you feel - the people around me are so lazy, my boss is a total a-hole and as I work in telecoms faults for hospitals/councils/the police, I always have to speak to irate nurses/councillors/police who can't do their job because they can't send an email or make a phonecall..I then have to call an irate engineer who is overworked and underpaid and get an earful about all the other telecoms faults and how this isn't the only one, blah blah! I wish I could talk to one cheerful person during my working day!

    I too earn a good wage and know that to leave this company and do the same job for a rival firm I'd be on 5k less easily. I so much want to quit (so much corruption and lies from management) but I know I can't find another job on this pay without retraining. I am thinking of training to be a mortgage advisor - telling people they can have the house of their dreams would be a welcome change from 'sorry, your internet will be out all weekend, our engineer got stuck in a ditch and has gone home'!!
  • flower 72
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:06 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:06 AM
    Hi Hello,

    I'm in the same situation as yours. It can be hell at times!

    I enjoy the actual job I am meant to be doing (this is where it goes wrong, I am asked to do a lot of other people's jobs with little time left to do my own), the few of the people I work with are making my work-life difficult (this just doesn't apply to me but many other employes). Part of management's attitude is "learn to live with it or leave", the rest of management says "stay, it'll get better soon".
    Just like you, hello. I can't afford to leave money-wise.
    The only way I get up and stay motivated through the day is by thinking that every day is getting me closer to the day I leave. I have got "a plan", you see. I'm paying everything I have to pay, sorting my finances and my savings to ensure that in a few months (early 2008) I will be in a better financial situation to live on much smaller wages.
    I have lived for that plan for the past 2,5 years. I'm nearly there!!

    Some peeps at work have ended up at the doctor's and on antidepressant. The only reason why I'm not there myself is that "escape plan" I am working at. It is keeping me sane.

    I have done mind numbing boring job with little money in the past but with great people. I never got the Sunday blues then. Why did I leave? ... Insight is such a wonderful thing!

    Flo
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    • By Hello 27th Jul 07, 11:22 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:22 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:22 AM
    Thanks so much for all your replies. I keep having to bomb out because 'people' walk past me and I know I am going to get 'busy, are we?' which makes me look bad and they haven't a clue how hard I work.

    DHDEBTS - the reason a lot of my colleagues have left is the same reason as you, HR and the CEO know this but still nothing is done. What is the point of exit interviews if the general consensus is ignored?!!

    Storm - it's mainly work stuff, everyone agrees to one thing then go and do their own thing anyway or external forces forget that I am the customer and really should not be arguing but finding a mutal solution instead! I have to manage my Managers and Suppliers - how daft is that!

    H
    Ciggie free 2am 21/09/06. Debt free 25/06/09.

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    • Hello
    • By Hello 27th Jul 07, 11:24 AM
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    Hello
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:24 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:24 AM
    'sorry, your internet will be out all weekend, our engineer got stuck in a ditch and has gone home'!!
    Originally posted by KittyKate
    Don't fancy your job much - that would mean no MSE, no wonder they would be cross!!
    Ciggie free 2am 21/09/06. Debt free 25/06/09.

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    • Storm
    • By Storm 27th Jul 07, 11:32 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:32 AM
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    • 27th Jul 07, 11:32 AM
    All I can suggest on a practical note is if something is agreed follow up with a quick email to everyone - that way you have an electronic paper trail of what was agreed, and some comeback if people don't do what they said they would.

    However, if your manager isn't taking control then that's a huge issue that's impossible for you to resolve by yourself - do you know if they're as frustrated as you or are they part of the root of the problem?

    The only other thing is to refresh your mind of your job description & then refuse to do anything beyond it - you presumably have your responsibilities, and so just tell others (email's great again as you have a record) what you need from them and by when - whenever it doesn't come then email your manager & their manager too to let them know of the problem.

    As Flower72 says - if you've got an end goal in sight then that does help - how long have you got until you're debt-free? You've sliced about £8K off your debt in less than a year, so if you should be debt free in 6 months or so it's not so long to stick it out...
    Total Debt 13th Sept 2006 (exc student loan): £6240.06
    O/D 1 £1250 O/D 2 £100 Next a/c £313.55@ 26.49% Mum £130 HSBC £4446.51@15.75%M&S £580.15@ 4.9%
    Total Debt 30th April 2008: £0 100% paid off!

    PROUD TO BE DEALING HAVE DEALT WITH MY DEBT
    • Hello
    • By Hello 27th Jul 07, 11:57 AM
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    Hello
    Thanks Storm. The amount I have sliced off the debt was from a surrendered endowment policy (not the type I could sell). My DFD is currently around 2009. This may seem a long time for a small amount, however with the savings I have made since I joined the MSE community it does mean I am living within my means for the first time ever so it's not all gloom!!
    Ciggie free 2am 21/09/06. Debt free 25/06/09.

    'It was such a lovely day I thought 'it's a pity to get up'' W. Somerset Maugham.
  • smudgemanc26
    I really like the people who i work with but my job has become so boring i have no motivation or the will to get up in a morning its horrible, however i have been fortunate to get my severance agreed from work meaning i will be debt free when i pay everything off with the money i have also been accepted for a college course commencing in September and i can now enrol next month now i can afford to pay for my course in Law and the other week i sent a general mail merge out of my CV and letters to companies to see if they had any vacancies and just yesterday i got an email offering me an interview next week!

    Im not intending to gloat but i understand how you feel i felt exactly the same i really hated being bored in this job and was envious of people who really seemed happy at work and enjoyed their job, but now things seem to be looking up so you really never know whats just around the corner.

    Think positive and remember without working you wouldnt be on your road to becoming debt free thats a great step in the right direction. If your truely not happy where you work it might be worth seeing what else is out there at the moment do some research into possible jobs in your area and send your CV out to a few companies see what kind of response you get back anything is worth a try.

    Would your current job support you going into further education pt? If it was beneficial to them this might be a way for you to become more motivated and progress in your company and work with some nice people.

    Hope things get better and keep popping on MSE for a chat and friendly advice, that should make your day abit brighter
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  • coochycoo
    I know what you mean!

    I was in a job that was specialised and a couple of miles away from home, really convenient for family commitments and the pay as good.

    However the staff there were constantly trying to score with the boss at my expense and the boss loved the attention from staff who were creeping and so was not interested in my viewpoint. I became the outcast as a result because I stuck to my principles and did not kowtow to their ridiculous behaviour. It was a small office, only a handful of people so that made things very difficult. The job I loved became the job I detested and the enjoyment was sucked out of it. The situation made me ill and I became depresed - I know this now but was in refusal mode at that time.

    Moral of the story - Avoid the stress. I convinced myself my specialism could not be utilised elsewhere - wrong again!

    I realised I had transferable skills and these skills can be used in most jobs that pay the same if not better. Sure I have to travel a bit further but its not the end of the world the compensations for this are immeasurable - the people I work with now are absolutley fabulous, my new job is very different from my last and is a new specialism, has even more variety and my brian is thriving on the new challenge so its a win win win situation.


    Leave the bitterness and bile behind they are so not worth it and when they learn you are doing well thats the final kick in the teeth they deserve!
    • Tuesday
    • By Tuesday 31st Jul 07, 10:10 PM
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    Tuesday
    I had a super job managing a charity business. I loved the job, loved the people I worked with, but the volunteers who managed the place were just plain nasty. They didn't have a clue how to run a business or even how to speak to people in a civil way. They constantly went on about how they were volunteers and demanded that all the employees should do extra work for nothing. This included giving me work to do at weekends and refusing to pay my expenses for work related travel. In the end, I walked away and now work as a temp doing a less than exciting job for about half my previous salary. We've had to cut down our lifestyle, but I now work with lovely people who are nice to me and to each other. Yes, I miss the money but am so glad I got out. There are some things that money can't buy and this is one of them. I no longer dread going to work.
    • m.r.davies
    • By m.r.davies 1st Aug 07, 9:47 AM
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    I want to rant about how i agree and how i feel the same but there is enough of that already

    What I am doing is working on my exit strategy, for you it might mean re training, starting your own business, travelling futher for more money

    you need to weigh up what you can manage, for most it will be retraining
    It may take a few months, or a few years, just make sure you have a plan!
    • Queen.Bess
    • By Queen.Bess 1st Aug 07, 10:29 AM
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    Queen.Bess
    I know exactly how you feel, although with me it's the other way round. Love the people I work with, love the fact that work is only a mile from home, love the fact that we have flexible working, ie. we can come in when we want and leave when we want (within reason of course!). Plus the fact the money's good for what I do, but I just don't like the work! Customers have complained about our service, we get no support from HQ and my desk looks like a paper mountain!

    I too would ideally like to move into another field of work (environmental/wildlife area), but the cons of leaving my current job far outway the pros of getting a new one, not least all aspects relating to our debt (no travel, nice wage).

    Only you can decide what plan of action to take and m.r.davies makes a good point, so I wish you well.
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    • bargainbetty
    • By bargainbetty 1st Aug 07, 10:42 AM
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    If anyone is really suffering from stress (not grumpiness, I mean real stress) then bear in mind that companies and individual managers now have a legal duty of care under HSE regulations. This is not a guideline, it's legally required, and failure to at least investigate significant problems that are causing people health problems can be classed as willful negligence and renders the employer subject to a fine or prosecution.

    Demand that the situation is addressed. You have the right to a healthy working environment.

    Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I had a car accident that could have killed me three months back, and left me needing physio and on painkillers. Last month, my boss gave me a telling-off for not being seen around the office too much, and spending too much time at my desk. He also complained that I was being short with people (one complainant had turned up drunk and screamed at me, but I wasn't allowed to mention that.) My response that I was still in pain and couldn't always walk about was greeted with 'That's not the point.'

    My stress is such that I am sitting here waiting to go to the doctors to sort out my blood pressure which is now sky-high.

    I am looking rather actively for another job, but I won't be going quietly!

    You have to fight these things, if you still have the stomach for it. Think how great the job could be if that was sorted, and try to imagine the other person position. Maybe they are unhappy too, and by getting it dealt with, you could be helping everyone.

    Good luck.
    • potbelly
    • By potbelly 1st Aug 07, 10:43 AM
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    I had exactly the same problem. The job was really interesting, international travel, good salary, varied work but the management put so many obstacles in the way, I just got frustrated and felt I wasn't achieving anything.
    Answer: I quit and now I am a self employed carpenter, slowly building a customer base whom I consider to be friends as well. There is nothing better than praise for a job well done.
    It is easy to say, and I appreciate there are a mulitude of factors to consider but job satisfaction has GOT to be the highest consideration.
    There are lots of options out there, don't convince yourself otherwise.
    Good luck for the future.
    Bye for now,
    Paul

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    • wherediditallgo
    • By wherediditallgo 1st Aug 07, 10:55 AM
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    wherediditallgo
    What's important to you about your job depends on why you're doing it. It's always been very important to me to like the people I work with - job satisfaction wasn't such an issue because I did a lot of things outside work that kept me busy & fulfilled my needs. With being forced to reflect on my life (past, present & future) thanks to lots of major illness, I've come to the conclusion that as long as I can get through the day in a reasonably civil fashion with the people in my immediate vicinity at work then the job itself doesn't really matter to me. I'm a "work in progress" as far as becoming a millionaire is concerned , but I've realised that my priority is to build some financial security for myself. My job isn't boring but it isn't where I want to spend the rest of my days either, so as long as the job pays for what it needs to, I'll just focus on my plans & get on with the day.

    What you could do to help you is type up a list of 5 or 10 things that doing the job will help you to achieve, then put it into a screensaver or just as a text file on your desktop. Whenever the job or people are getting on your nerves, it will remind you of why you're there. A lot of people work somewhere because they can't do anything else, but if you remember that the job is helping you to achieve what you want further down the road, it will make the pain of the occasional bad day more bearable. Also, talk to other staff - you might find that some of them feel just as fed up as you do sometimes. Maybe organising a works night out amongst those in your office every couple of months (or making new friends amongst people in other departments) will make the irritating ones easier to deal with. I've found that sometimes the people who irritate you at work will relax/open up away from the office, & then when you're back at work you get on better with them. I used to think one of my colleagues was an absolute oddball & avoided being around him as much as possible. I only started to get on with him when he came out for dinner one night with a group of us & showed us he can be a bit of a party animal once he gets going. We're never going to be the best of friends, but we do get on a lot better now than we did. It takes a bit of effort on everyone's part to make a work atmosphere good to be in, but only one person to sour it.
  • rog2
    I had a GREAT job, for 16 years. I represented a French Company, in the UK, and brought the business from nothing to an annual turnover in excess of £1m. I covered the whole of the British Isles, including Ireland, and I considered the majority of my customers as friends.
    Initially, everything went well - the French Company appeared to be more than satisfied with the business that I was generating, and I enjoyed my regular business trips to Paris.
    However, after about eight years, their attitude changed totally - there was a recession in Europe and they were dependent on the export business, which, quite understandably, they were keen to expand.
    In true Gallic fashion, they 'flooded' the UK with their representatives, who otherwise had little else to do, and I had to take them around to customers - both existing and potential. When we got new business, each of these 'reps' treated it as their own, and would literally bypass me and try to deal direct.
    The net result of this was to create total confusion, with customers unsure of who they should be dealing with, offers being made without my knowledge and reps turning up, at my office totally unannounced and each with their own 'personal agenda' to which they expected me to adhere.
    After about a year of this, the UK business started to go down, rather than up - but this was considered, by the head office, as being my fault.
    My instincts told me to 'get out' but I still had to 'put bread on the table' and I tolerated this situation for a further five years, until, at an exhibition in Germany, I was approached, by an Italian Company whom I had known for 20 years. They made me an offer, which was probably less than I had been earning with the French Company, but by this time I had had enough, and I took it.
    They were, and still are, extremely nice people. My commissions were paid on time and without question. Their products are far superior to those that I had previously sold, and the engineers that they send for installation are really helpfull, friendly and love to come to the UK.
    Last year, through no fault of the Italian company, I was declared bankrupt by HMRC (long story and not relevant to this thread).
    Whilst I thought that I had lost the chance to continue in business (I actually gave it up for 10 months) the Italian Company stuck by me throughout, whereas I heard, from customers, that the previous company were taking great delight in telling them that I had gone out of business.
    I have just come back from a trip to Italy, where we have discussed the framework for starting up again, in the UK. They are prepared to back me, and, hopefully, I will be back in business within a few weks.
    So I suppose that the advice I am giving is that friendship is at least as important as earning money.

    Good Luck
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    • skintlass
    • By skintlass 1st Aug 07, 1:28 PM
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    skintlass
    I am in a job which isn't really stretching me (and in IT if you're standing still you're in effect going backwards) and the people aren't great - most of them aren't bad its just that the one I really don't like is in my team of 3 people. I wouldn't count anyone here as a friend (only been here 6 months) but the pay and the hours are good. I feel I shouldn't complain but I do look forward to the weekends. I'm waiting to see what happens over the next 12 months and if I still don't like it I'll move even if it does mean taking a pay cut (as long as its not a big cut :-)) It peopbably doesn't help as 2 of my friends are in jobs they absolutely love at the mo and while I am happy for them it does remind me of the fact that I'm not happy.
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