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    • Former MSE Rebecca
    • By Former MSE Rebecca 11th Nov 14, 11:48 AM
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    It's aitch not haitch
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    It's aitch not haitch 11th Nov 14 at 11:48 AM
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 15th Apr 18, 7:57 PM
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    I don't know why some retained the French pronunciation and others didn't....
    Originally posted by Pyxis
    C'est orrible mes enfants!

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 15th Apr 18, 8:07 PM
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    C'est orrible mes enfants!
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    C'est un grand mystère, c'est vrais!
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 16th Apr 18, 7:55 AM
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    Random, I imagine, Pyxis.
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    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 16th Apr 18, 9:23 AM
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    Is it not a questions of the logistics involved?
    Originally posted by Pyxis
    With Shakespeare - is it also status? Irrespective of the physical positions - the courtier will always bring the lower-status person to the higher-status.
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 16th Apr 18, 3:06 PM
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    With Shakespeare - is it also status? Irrespective of the physical positions - the courtier will always bring the lower-status person to the higher-status.
    Originally posted by NBLondon


    Do not know about that. Macbeth was higher status than Macduff and taking/ bringing him to Duncan, higher than both.

    Interesting concept, though.
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 16th Apr 18, 8:21 PM
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    With Shakespeare - is it also status? Irrespective of the physical positions - the courtier will always bring the lower-status person to the higher-status.
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    Do not know about that. Macbeth was higher status than Macduff and taking/ bringing him to Duncan, higher than both.

    Interesting concept, though.
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    Somewhat over my head I'm afraid ....
    (Maybe) one day I'll understand ....

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 16th Apr 18, 8:24 PM
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    Yes, because didn't etiquette decree that you introduce a lower status person to a higher status person, not the other way around?

    So lower mortals would be summoned/brought to higher mortals.
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 17th Apr 18, 9:03 AM
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    Not quite relevant in this case though, as Macbeth was physically showing Macduff to Duncan's room.

    See how I neatly avoided the controversial verb there?
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 19th Apr 18, 5:26 PM
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    Not quite relevant in this case though, as Macbeth was physically showing Macduff to Duncan's room.

    See how I neatly avoided the controversial verb there?
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    Couldn't you have used either bringing or taking instead of showing in this case?

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 22nd Apr 18, 12:49 PM
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    Couldn't you have used either bringing or taking instead of showing in this case?
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    Sleazy, Pollypenny was deliberately trying to avoid using either of those words, due to the dilemma of which to use discussed in the previous posts.

    Personally, I would have guided MacDuff to Duncan's room!
    Or dragged him there in a sack!
    Or wheeled him there in a wheelbarrow!
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 26th Apr 18, 6:42 PM
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    "I before E, except after C".
    What about the word 'Seized'?

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 26th Apr 18, 9:47 PM
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    "I before E, except after C".
    What about the word 'Seized'?
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    There are several exceptions to that. Quite a few.

    Weird, Neil, vein, weigh, foreign, etc.
    Sufficient, species, etc.

    Some of those aren't pronounced the same, though, and there are historical and etymological reasons for the differences.


    I think it's still a good rule to learn, though, as it does apply to a lot of words where there might be genuine doubt as to the spelling.
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 27th Apr 18, 9:44 AM
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    There are several exceptions to that. Quite a few.

    Weird, Neil, vein, weigh, foreign, etc.
    Sufficient, species, etc.

    Some of those aren't pronounced the same, though, and there are historical and etymological reasons for the differences.


    I think it's still a good rule to learn, though, as it does apply to a lot of words where there might be genuine doubt as to the spelling.
    Originally posted by Pyxis


    I before e
    Except after c
    When the sound is ee


    There are very few words which do not conform to this:
    Seize, protein, caffeine

    It helps people with words having the ay sound, vein rein, reign etc.
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 30th Apr 18, 12:39 PM
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/43945768/amber-rudd-why-has-the-home-secretary-resigned

    The Headline says "Why has the Amber Rudd resigned?"

    Doesn't sound correct to me.

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 30th Apr 18, 1:38 PM
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/43945768/amber-rudd-why-has-the-home-secretary-resigned

    The Headline says "Why has the Amber Rudd resigned?"

    Doesn't sound correct to me.
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    It isn't correct.

    Looks like they first wanted to say "Why has the Home Secretary resigned?" but then they decided to change Home Secretary to Amber Rudd, leaving the 'the' as a typo.


    I would say that you'd only use 'the' before a proper name if you wanted to emphasise the person's importance, but then you'd put it in capitals or bold or italics to show the stress on the word.

    As in "Are you THE George Clooney?", (as opposed to any old George Cloony from Wigan or Ramsgate ).
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    • Spidernick
    • By Spidernick 30th Apr 18, 3:19 PM
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    Don't forget 'THE Donald' (even though I tend to think Duck rather than Trump!).
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    Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)
    • purpoise
    • By purpoise 30th Apr 18, 7:38 PM
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    An hotel, historic, etc.
    The word for the citrus fruit "Orange" came to us from Spanish via Arabic and originally Sanskrit supposedly.
    In Arabic it's called "Naranj". English speakers probably asked their fruit sellers what that red/yellow fruit was there. The reply would have been, "It's a naranj." Seems that was taken a "an aranj" and the word passed into the vocabulary as arnaj/orange.
    The word for that colour came from the fruit, as there was none before.
    How would the 12th July in N. Ireland be called, "Red/yellow man's day?"
    Or, how would we describe the Donald's skin colour?
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    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 4th May 18, 8:08 AM
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    @ Why don't we pronounce 'Union' as 'Onion' ?
    Well most people don't, but I does anyways!

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    • Pyxis
    • By Pyxis 4th May 18, 9:55 AM
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    @ Why don't we pronounce 'Union' as 'Onion' ?
    Well most people don't, but I does anyways!
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    Theoretically, a vowel separated from another vowel by just one consonant is pronounced long, so union = yoo-nion. Especially in short words.

    A double consonant shortens the vowel. If it were spelled unnion, it would be pronounced like onion.

    So you have, for example, pine but pinned, bone but bonnet, fuse but fussy.

    HOWEVER, there are loads of exceptions, usually due to the etymology of the word and the language it came from, and loads of other factors, so please don't throw several of those exceptions at me!

    Plus, American spellings often leave out one of the double consonants, in their quest to streamline words, which adds another complication.


    It's the main reason why I feel scone should be pronounced to rhyme with stone, otherwise I would spell it scon.
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    • By JimmyTheWig 4th May 18, 11:01 AM
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    It's the main reason why I feel scone should be pronounced to rhyme with stone, otherwise I would spell it scon.
    Originally posted by Pyxis
    Or sconne...
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