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    • cnoelj
    • By cnoelj 24th Apr 14, 7:59 AM
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    The All New MSE Running Club.
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    • 24th Apr 14, 7:59 AM
    The All New MSE Running Club. 24th Apr 14 at 7:59 AM
    Hello everyone!

    This is a message to all MSE runners - and I know that there are many of us. You may be a seasoned veteran with many Marathons under your belt, a club runner, a lone runner, a newbie or someone thinking about taking the plunge into running. Doesn't matter this is for you.

    If you have been around for a while you may remember the MSE Running Club which was active for a number of years and was originally set up by Pania. This was an online space to meet up as runners, to receive support and encouragement, to state our goals, to share our running triumphs and frustrations, to seek accountability, ask all those questions we have been afraid to ask and to chat.

    Well I have been in the running wilderness for a couple of years (for reasons that I will explain in another post) but as a result of gaining inspiration from the recent London Marathon I have made a commitment to enter it again in 2015.

    Chatting on facebook I find that Pania has made a similar commitment and we made an agreement to hold each other accountable to that. From there it just felt good to relaunch the running club and to interact with others who have running goals and are wanting to reach out to others for mutual support.

    So whatever your running experience and whatever it is you wish to derive from running, you are welcome to join us. If the previous running club is anything to go by, it will be fun

    Must go. Time for a run!

    Chris
    “The primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but your thoughts about it.” Eckhart Tolle
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    • BrookesAndrew
    • By BrookesAndrew 1st Mar 18, 12:20 PM
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    Done my first half marathon on Sunday in 1 hour 50 minutes and 20 seconds. Doing another one end of April so hoping to get into the 1:40s!
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 5th Apr 18, 11:14 AM
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    Manchester bound on Sunday for the marathon! Do I feel ready .. No.
    Am I looking forward to a beer and stuffing my face with food afterwards ... Yes.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • onedaysomeday
    • By onedaysomeday 5th Apr 18, 5:27 PM
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    I cannot wait to not be injured and start running again
    Just trying to make up for past mistakes and work towards the future I want
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 6th Apr 18, 8:44 AM
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    Manchester bound on Sunday for the marathon! Do I feel ready .. No.
    Am I looking forward to a beer and stuffing my face with food afterwards ... Yes.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Good luck! How's the training been going?
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 6th Apr 18, 10:58 AM
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    Good luck! How's the training been going?
    Originally posted by spikyone
    Not too well, due to being injured (well I still am) and trying to balance doing miles and still being able to run! Hoping I can make it round in one piece to be honest.

    Managed a couple of back to back 20 mile runs the last couple of weeks, only gentle but I know I can do it even in pain.
    I paced my mate around a 20 mile race week before last as she was desperate to get under 3hrs for 20 miles. So whilst 2 mins a mile slower than what I need to run at least my leg was ok.

    Hows your training going?
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 7th Apr 18, 12:39 AM
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    Not too well, due to being injured (well I still am) and trying to balance doing miles and still being able to run! Hoping I can make it round in one piece to be honest.

    Managed a couple of back to back 20 mile runs the last couple of weeks, only gentle but I know I can do it even in pain.
    I paced my mate around a 20 mile race week before last as she was desperate to get under 3hrs for 20 miles. So whilst 2 mins a mile slower than what I need to run at least my leg was ok.

    Hows your training going?
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Sorry to hear that, I hope it doesn't get in the way of hitting your goal on Sunday, though at the end of the day getting to the finish line is an achievement in itself.

    I've had a couple of niggles that both cleared fairly quickly; managed 24 miles a month back but last Sunday I ran 22 miles far too fast (running slow is difficult!) and my quads still ache! I think it will be touch and go as to whether I manage the <3:05 I want - I'm just hoping that fresh legs and having lots of energy from tapering will make the difference.
    On the plus side, the route is almost entirely flat, so no excuses there:



    Hope Sunday goes well
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 9th Apr 18, 9:19 PM
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    Hope Sunday goes well
    Originally posted by spikyone
    It went well for about 20 miles, then it rather fell apart. I was +/- 2 secs per mile for 20 miles on a 2:54 pace, then ended up with a few slow miles.
    But I managed to get in just under 3 hours so it wasn't a total disaster.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 10th Apr 18, 8:23 AM
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    It went well for about 20 miles, then it rather fell apart. I was +/- 2 secs per mile for 20 miles on a 2:54 pace, then ended up with a few slow miles.
    But I managed to get in just under 3 hours so it wasn't a total disaster.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Wow, congratulations! Under 3 hours is a stunning time. What's your recovery plan, a few gentle runs this week?
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 10th Apr 18, 12:23 PM
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    Wow, congratulations! Under 3 hours is a stunning time. What's your recovery plan, a few gentle runs this week?
    Originally posted by spikyone
    Thanks, I am not sure if I am pleased or not as it was going great until mile 20 before it all fell to bits - but at least it has ticked the box of sub 3, and well under the GFA for London. So I can think about that for the next 2 years at least.

    I went on a zwift 7 mile ride yesterday afternoon to blast the legs (7 miles in 20 mins @ just over 20mph) and then an easy 4 mile jog last night. (by easy I am talking short intervals of 6:40 min miles, with 10 min mile recoveries)

    However I am now not running again for a bit as I am going to try and rest and get my injuries better. So I will be just on the bike until Sat. If my leg feels ok on Sat then I will go and see if I can set a PB at parkrun.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 23rd Apr 18, 12:56 PM
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    Thanks, I am not sure if I am pleased or not as it was going great until mile 20 before it all fell to bits - but at least it has ticked the box of sub 3, and well under the GFA for London. So I can think about that for the next 2 years at least.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Well, the London organisers took a sledgehammer to my hopes of getting a GFA last week, they've cut the GFA time to 3:00 - now a ridiculous 45 minutes faster than the equivalent women's GFA - and are capping the number of GFA places to 6000, so there's no guarantee of entry unless you're well inside the cut-off. The situation is bad enough that organisers are telling everyone to enter the ballot regardless of posting a GFA.

    I'll cross my fingers that you still qualify with your time. I now know I will not be qualifying; I'm not quick enough to go under 3:00, but in any case I'm not even sure I'll be running this Sunday due to a thigh/knee problem that flared up last week. I have lots of ice and ibuprofen going on, and no running since Wednesday. You can probably imagine how that feels after 4 months of training...
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 23rd Apr 18, 1:52 PM
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    Well, the London organisers took a sledgehammer to my hopes of getting a GFA last week, they've cut the GFA time to 3:00 - now a ridiculous 45 minutes faster than the equivalent women's GFA - and are capping the number of GFA places to 6000, so there's no guarantee of entry unless you're well inside the cut-off. The situation is bad enough that organisers are telling everyone to enter the ballot regardless of posting a GFA.

    I'll cross my fingers that you still qualify with your time. I now know I will not be qualifying; I'm not quick enough to go under 3:00, but in any case I'm not even sure I'll be running this Sunday due to a thigh/knee problem that flared up last week. I have lots of ice and ibuprofen going on, and no running since Wednesday. You can probably imagine how that feels after 4 months of training...
    Originally posted by spikyone
    Hope you get better soon.. I've not run since manchester due to taking time out to get my injuries better. But I guess that is what you get for training for 4 months with injuries instead of letting it get better.

    I have no idea why they didn't release the GFA times before the spring marathons! So many people were ecstatic that they got the target only to suddenly miss out afterwards. My target time went down by 10 mins (after I had ran my event)
    I still think that I will get in with my time as even if they reduce the time by 5 mins for each age group to lower the numbers I am still within that, I guess that is the bonus of being over 40, a bit of leeway. I'll be honest I probably would have missed the GFA time if I wasn't going for sub 3 as I was struggling so eased back to just get sub 3 (I was running 2:54 pace for the first 20 miles) but if I was just going sub GFA I would have eased back more as I thought it was 3:15 at the time.

    Surely a change like that should have been made to give people time to train and change targets, and just be honest with it. At least you now know that the time may come down a bit if lots of people have the qualifying times. Just as an example Boston's GFT for under 40 this year was 3:00 but 2:57 was needed to actually get in. I don't mind that if it was done far enough in advance and I think that it will come down slightly further due to the numbers of people running those times. Likewise the female targets would come down if more than 3000 people had the times and chose run.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 24th Apr 18, 3:25 PM
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    Hope you get better soon.. I've not run since manchester due to taking time out to get my injuries better. But I guess that is what you get for training for 4 months with injuries instead of letting it get better.

    I have no idea why they didn't release the GFA times before the spring marathons! So many people were ecstatic that they got the target only to suddenly miss out afterwards. My target time went down by 10 mins (after I had ran my event)
    I still think that I will get in with my time as even if they reduce the time by 5 mins for each age group to lower the numbers I am still within that, I guess that is the bonus of being over 40, a bit of leeway. I'll be honest I probably would have missed the GFA time if I wasn't going for sub 3 as I was struggling so eased back to just get sub 3 (I was running 2:54 pace for the first 20 miles) but if I was just going sub GFA I would have eased back more as I thought it was 3:15 at the time.

    Surely a change like that should have been made to give people time to train and change targets, and just be honest with it. At least you now know that the time may come down a bit if lots of people have the qualifying times. Just as an example Boston's GFT for under 40 this year was 3:00 but 2:57 was needed to actually get in. I don't mind that if it was done far enough in advance and I think that it will come down slightly further due to the numbers of people running those times. Likewise the female targets would come down if more than 3000 people had the times and chose run.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Thanks, I hope your recovery is swift too! 4 months of training is enough to take quite a toll on your body. I plan to run an easy half hour tonight, and if all goes well try some short (1 minute) intervals tomorrow - it's possibly a bit close to marathon day for that sort of thing, but I feel like I need a proper check that I can run without too much pain before committing to running on Sunday.

    Agree that the London situation is incredibly harsh, and it's not the first time they've made this kind of change with zero notice. I can understand the annoyance that people would feel if they thought they'd qualified, only to find out that they haven't. Fingers crossed that your time is good enough, it looks like you have a decent margin. I'll be throwing myself to the mercy of the ballot next week!
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 25th Apr 18, 11:30 AM
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    Good luck at the weekend @Spikyone. Hopefully you will be fine. and good luck in the ballot for London too.
    I am hoping to get back to running at the weekend as I need to start doing some miles as I have been selected to run for our club in our 10k race. (Normally club members aren't allowed to run it due to needing to marshal)
    So I have 2 weeks to get back up to sub 38 10k pace if I want to get into the top 50-100 or so.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 30th Apr 18, 10:46 AM
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    Well I'm pleased to say I made it around the 26.2 yesterday. The knee was painful at first, but about 12 miles in I realised that it had stopped hurting - I was managing a comfortable 7:00/mile pace and all was good. As I passed the 14 mile marker I felt a twinge in one calf and then the other, and spent the last 12 miles battling cramp and losing a lot of time. 3:13:40 at the end, and considering I'd thought about pulling out altogether a week before and put in a ~1:42 for the second half despite the cramp, I'm calling that a good result.

    I have no idea where the cramp came from either. 4 months of training, 3 runs over 20 miles and plenty of 15+ miles, and it's literally the first time that's happened.

    So I have 2 weeks to get back up to sub 38 10k pace if I want to get into the top 50-100 or so.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Good luck with that, it sounds like an insanely competitive event if sub 38 is top 50-100. The last two that I ran, that would've put you well inside the top 10! How are you feeling now after your marathon?
    I'm taking a couple of weeks off before training for a couple of mixed surface 10ks in June, my next goal is a sub-90 half in the autumn.
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 30th Apr 18, 11:45 AM
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    Well I'm pleased to say I made it around the 26.2 yesterday. The knee was painful at first, but about 12 miles in I realised that it had stopped hurting - I was managing a comfortable 7:00/mile pace and all was good. As I passed the 14 mile marker I felt a twinge in one calf and then the other, and spent the last 12 miles battling cramp and losing a lot of time. 3:13:40 at the end, and considering I'd thought about pulling out altogether a week before and put in a ~1:42 for the second half despite the cramp, I'm calling that a good result.

    I have no idea where the cramp came from either. 4 months of training, 3 runs over 20 miles and plenty of 15+ miles, and it's literally the first time that's happened.

    Good luck with that, it sounds like an insanely competitive event if sub 38 is top 50-100. The last two that I ran, that would've put you well inside the top 10! How are you feeling now after your marathon?
    I'm taking a couple of weeks off before training for a couple of mixed surface 10ks in June, my next goal is a sub-90 half in the autumn.
    Originally posted by spikyone
    Well done, that's a great effort considering the cramp not to drop any more time. Running with cramp is a horrible experience (I once ran the last 20 miles of a 36 mile event with cramp)
    I am actually working on something to help cramp at the moment, unfortunately I can't actually test it until a race where I get cramp so its going to have to wait until the end of May for me to try it.

    Good plan with the rest, get everything better before returning to it,and good luck with the half later in the year, I'm aiming for a sub 1:30 in September to complete my aims from when I first started running 2 years ago. Sub 20 5k, sub 40 10k, sub 1:30 HM, sub 3 Mara.

    Good luck with your 10ks, I find that they have the most competitive fields out of any distance. I ran one in Oct last year where sub 38 got me 15th. However the one I have in a couple of weeks is a big field of 1500 which looking at the entries will be won in around 32. I can see at least 8 people who are capable of running sub 34 in the starting list.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • sha0907
    • By sha0907 20th May 18, 7:42 AM
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    “Running is the greatest metaphor for life, because you get out of it what you put into it.”
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    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 20th May 18, 5:57 PM
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    However the one I have in a couple of weeks is a big field of 1500 which looking at the entries will be won in around 32. I can see at least 8 people who are capable of running sub 34 in the starting list.
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    I was close .. 7 people under 34.

    I had to have another week or so off due to a virus, so didn't have the run that I wanted, but I made it round in once piece, and have now managed to start training this week.
    I just made it into the top 80 with a 39:26, which I am happy with it considering a) the lack of training and b) the recovery from the virus
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 14th Jun 18, 1:59 PM
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    I was close .. 7 people under 34.

    I had to have another week or so off due to a virus, so didn't have the run that I wanted, but I made it round in once piece, and have now managed to start training this week.
    I just made it into the top 80 with a 39:26, which I am happy with it considering a) the lack of training and b) the recovery from the virus
    Originally posted by indesisiv
    Been a while since I dropped by here. That's a great 10k even without the circumstances, congratulations

    Since I last posted I've been under 20:00 at my local parkrun every week I think - it seems to have been very fast lately, with 24 people running sub-20 the last two weeks.

    Last night was the first of my two planned 10k races; I ran the same event last year in 44:07. It's a mixed course, uphill from a grass start onto tarmac, before heading downhill for around 1.5 miles along a dirt path, a 1.5 mile loop on tarmac, and then back up the dirt path again. It's about 160ft from the lowest point to the highest, with a total 300ft of climbing. I ran 40:27 this year, which beat my pre-race target by some distance

    The second 10k is next Wednesday. Hopefully it'll be cooler than the 30-degree heat we ran in last year, even the pacers struggled. It's a theoretically faster course and there will be a 40 minute pacer, so I can only have one goal in mind.
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 15th Jun 18, 7:57 AM
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    @spikyone sounds like you are not far away from a sub 40 10k.
    Good going with the sub 20 5ks, I always thought that sub 20 was always mental. Since it took me about 6 months to get sub 20 I have only ever been above that once (and that was in fancy dress)

    Sadly sounds like the weather is getting back to being hot again! So good luck with the 10k.

    I dropped out of my 37 mile race the other week due to the heat after 13 miles and not wanting to do any damage to myself. But I shall try again with a 55k race in a couple of weeks.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • spikyone
    • By spikyone 25th Jun 18, 12:15 PM
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    Sorry to hear you had to drop out of the 37 miler. It's always a difficult decision, but not worth making yourself ill or aggravating an injury. Running's supposed to be fun after all! How long til your next one?

    It turned out there wasn't a 40-minute pacer at my 10k last week, they started from 45 this year. Possibly unrelated, but last year the 40-minute pacer ended up finishing in 47 minutes due to the heat! I went out possibly a shade too fast and finished in 40:10, 21st out of 647. Slightly disappointing to miss the sub-40 by such a fine margin - I had time in hand for the first 7km - but I was happy to improve my PB even further and I know 40 minutes is achievable.

    To finish off the week in style I also ran my fastest ever parkrun, in 19:41. This was at my local event rather than the faster one where I set my previous PB. I'll be visiting family again in a few weeks, so will be near to the faster one. It's pretty tempting to see what I can do there now...
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