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    • elsien
    • By elsien 26th Jun 07, 4:25 PM
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    • #2
    • 26th Jun 07, 4:25 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 4:25 PM
    Nope - it's just the luck of the draw isn't it? It's different if you're going to the bingo, or in a syndicate, where you have an agreement beforehand.
    It was a spur of the moment buy, and if it were me, Nicole could take a running jump.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • ClaireLR
    • By ClaireLR 26th Jun 07, 4:27 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 4:27 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 4:27 PM
    Paris won the money and she should do what shes sees fit with it (i.e. keep the lot!)

    If Paris had bought a sandwich with the money Nicole lent her would she expect half of that?

    But if it was me, I'd give my friend a cut. Not half but a decent wedge.
    Sometimes you have to go through
    the rain to get to the
    rainbow

    • ashmit
    • By ashmit 26th Jun 07, 9:14 PM
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    • #4
    • 26th Jun 07, 9:14 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 9:14 PM
    No, I don't think she has a claim on the money. She would never have won herself and she lent out the money in good faith.

    If she hadn't asked, I would have given her a cut of the winnings. But if she told me she was owed a cut, I'd not give it her.

    Well I would, but I'd resent it, and it would damage the friendship. But I doubt I would end up in that situ as I would have given her some of the money straight off.

    Interesting dilemna!
  • aspcox63
    • #5
    • 26th Jun 07, 9:38 PM
    Should Paris split her winnings with Nicole?
    • #5
    • 26th Jun 07, 9:38 PM
    Yes, I think she should. As Nicole points out, Paris could not possibly have won without her money, but as the Lottery ticket only cost 1/20th of the money lent, then Paris should give Nicole 1/20th of the winnings, and say that it was 19/20ths her luck for a) having 1 spare, and b) for picking the right numbers.
  • pharmitsol
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:01 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:01 PM
    no way, it's paris' money and all hers!
    if i got a loan out from a bank for 5000 for a car, bought it for 4999 and bought a ticket with the spare pound and won 50k, i wouldn't feel i owed anything to the bank!
  • john01727
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:16 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:16 PM
    No way. What happens if you win nothing, do you give back a bit less.
    • Middlestitch
    • By Middlestitch 26th Jun 07, 10:17 PM
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    • #8
    • 26th Jun 07, 10:17 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:17 PM
    If the ticket hadn't won, would Nicole have refunded the £1 to Paris? Of course not - take her out for a really good meal, but that money belongs to Paris!
  • Iffy_Wallet
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:52 PM
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    • 26th Jun 07, 10:52 PM
    I think that Paris should keep quiet about her win for a week or two, and then research the 'winning numbers' for a later date. Then if she really wants to tell her neighbour about it, she can do. And she can say, "Nicole, you are a really good friend. I even remember you lending me 20 pounds a few weeks back when I was hard up. And this weekend, I was lucky enough to win a little money. So I'd like to give you 500/1000/whatever? to help you share in my excitement". That way, she doesn't feel any pressure to hand over money, except on the terms that she feels happy with. And if she doesn't want her to know at all, then that's also ok.

    But telling Nicole that a pound from her borrowed money, paid for the winning ticket, only muddies the water and causes confusion. Don't do it.
    [ Eat, Drink and be Merry - for tomorrow we get the bill ]
  • brinton o4
    I personally think that Paris should give Nicole a share of her winnings just as a thank you and for being a good freind. (aaawww!!!!) )
    • RobertoMoir
    • By RobertoMoir 26th Jun 07, 11:00 PM
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    Paris doesn't "owe" Nicole anything. She borrowed the money in general, e.g. they weren't out gambling and Paris had to get Nicole to buy her into a game.

    It might be a nice gesture for Paris to give Nicole something, 1/20th of the winnings wouldn't be a bad interest on the £20 loan actually! But there's no way she has an obligation here.

    Having read the other replies though, I also agree with Iffywallet. Perhaps it was a little crass to mention that the loan was used to purchase a ticket in the first place. Still doesn't create an obligation though.
    Last edited by RobertoMoir; 26-06-2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason: added ref to IffyWallet's reply.
    • Pound
    • By Pound 26th Jun 07, 11:03 PM
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    She should give some winnings to the supermarket manager, because she wouldn't have had the pound without those bargains.

  • dusty330
    It's no hardship for Paris to do the decent thing. After all, she's still 25,000 to the good; which she wouldn't have had without Nicole's kindness.
    Isn't it a bit selfish to want to keep the whole lot? Offer half I say. After all, Nicole may say she's quite happy with a grand or two, and Paris gets the best of both worlds!
  • kiranj
    Absolutely not. Nicole lent Paris the money, so the money was hers to do what she ill. If Paris decided to give Nicole some extra on top of the £20 she borrowed, then that's up to her. But Nicole shouldn't be asking for it - that's just trying to ride on someone else's good fortune.
  • steslatt
    of course she should, thats what friends are for.
    • zzzLazyDaisy
    • By zzzLazyDaisy 26th Jun 07, 11:33 PM
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    It would be a nice gesture if Paris gave Nicole a share of the winnings as a 'thank you'. But she doesn't actually 'owe' Nicole anything, she is under no obligation to give her anything at all, so if she does decide to give her some of the winnings, Nicole should accept gracefully and be grateful!
    • tripled
    • By tripled 27th Jun 07, 1:51 AM
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    Nicole should be pleased for Paris not b*tching about it. She's obviously not a true friend and should be told to go and jump.

    Had she not asked, Paris should do something, perhaps take her on holiday or have a night out or two as a mark of appreciation.

    If a neighbour of mine won a prize like that with money I lent them, I would expect a couple of pints. If it was a good mate, I'd expect them to stand me a night on the lash, but that would be about it.
    Last edited by tripled; 27-06-2007 at 1:59 AM.
    • JeffMinter
    • By JeffMinter 27th Jun 07, 7:08 AM
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    Nope, wouldn't stop the lender feeling jealous of course

    A few years ago I would have thought different, but this is just like the countless investments that occur daily; lender provides capital for someone else to do something with it, they reap the rewards - or losses. The only condition being to pay back interest, so in friends' terms I guess this translates into a good meal out, party or holiday for them.
  • Innys
    Nope

    Paris should, instead, give the money to a charity set up to rehabilitate ex-cons...
    • bigpat
    • By bigpat 27th Jun 07, 8:29 AM
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    The money was lent "no strings attached" over the weekend so she should keep the winnings. If you get a loan for anew TV and manage to sdave 100 (through Moneysaver of course), you can spend that extra 100 however you wnat, including gambling. Any winnnings are yours.
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