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    • miss spooky
    • By miss spooky 31st Aug 13, 7:14 PM
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    Uni Bursaries
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    • 31st Aug 13, 7:14 PM
    Uni Bursaries 31st Aug 13 at 7:14 PM
    Hi,

    I am looking at going back to work & would like to train to be a midwife. However, I have 2 children 8 & 6, one on DLA, I am on the following (ATM):

    Income support
    Carer's Allowance
    Child Tax Credits
    Child Benefit
    DLA (child's)
    Council Tax Benefit
    Housing Benefit

    What I would like to know is, are the Bursaries counted as income? If so, I guess I would lose IS & CA then the HB & CB would be affected. If it is, then how do I pay for the course fees which are approx. £9K for 3 yrs. (I have read on a RGN site that it is counted as income, therefore people are losing their JSA, IS etc). I did an online bursary calculator which said I may be able to claim up to £5k per year... Which wouldn't even cover half my priority outgoings...
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    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 31st Aug 13, 7:52 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 7:52 PM
    http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/nursing/training-to-be-a-nurse/financial-support-for-pre-registration-nursing-students/

    Financial support for pre-registration nursing students

    Financial support

    All students on university courses in nursing leading to registration with the Nursing and Midwifery Council are eligible for financial help from the NHS while studying.

    All eligible students will usually:
    • have their tution fees paid in full
    • receive a £1,000 grant each year
    • be eligible to apply for an additional means-tested bursary of up to £4,395 per year. Students in London will qualify for more (up to £5,460)
    Note: the above arrangements relate to students who started their course since September 2012.



    this site details what you would be able to claim in bursaries etc...

    https://www.gov.uk/benefits-adviser this should help with the benefits bits - it can be very specific to the exact situations...



    there can also be charitable trusts that may be able to help.



    do you already have a degree - what qualifications do you have, and are you able to get any experience that may help set you apart from other candidates?

    A friend has been applying for the last three years to get onto a midwifery degree and it is really competitive.

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    • miss spooky
    • By miss spooky 31st Aug 13, 8:20 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 8:20 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 8:20 PM
    Hi Nimbo,

    Thank you for that. I haven't any qualification or degrees relevant to Nursing. Just something I wanted to do after I had my first child. Also looking into doing a training course for a Doula - slightly cheaper...
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    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 31st Aug 13, 9:56 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 9:56 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 9:56 PM
    I'm fairly certain that the fees are not loans, and as such you wouldn't have to pay them back....

    Good luck - sorry I couldn't be more help on the benefits front.

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    • flea72
    • By flea72 31st Aug 13, 10:57 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 10:57 PM
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    • 31st Aug 13, 10:57 PM
    Tuition fees are paid by NHS and you get a means tested bursary on top (go to the nhs bursary website and use the calculator)

    You can still get cb and ctc and students dont pay council tax. I think you loose all your other benefits except your childs DLA

    In monetary terms the bursary should be more than you currently get in benefits. those i know on my nhs funded course, who have come off IS, say they are better off on nhs funding
    • elaine373
    • By elaine373 2nd Sep 13, 5:44 PM
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    • 2nd Sep 13, 5:44 PM
    Hello and sorry to butt in on this thread, but I was wondering, how do you know if you have claimed everything you can? I am about to embark on an adult nursing degree. My NHs bursary is sorted and I have also claimed a maintenance grant. My tuition fees are being paid (so grateful for this) but as greedy as it sounds, I want to make sure i havent missed anything. I will be the main bread winner for my family.my husband signs on at the moment, but this will stop when I start Uni. Can I claim anything else? Many thanks.
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    • flea72
    • By flea72 2nd Sep 13, 8:45 PM
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    • 2nd Sep 13, 8:45 PM
    Hello and sorry to butt in on this thread, but I was wondering, how do you know if you have claimed everything you can? I am about to embark on an adult nursing degree. My NHs bursary is sorted and I have also claimed a maintenance grant. My tuition fees are being paid (so grateful for this) but as greedy as it sounds, I want to make sure i havent missed anything. I will be the main bread winner for my family.my husband signs on at the moment, but this will stop when I start Uni. Can I claim anything else? Many thanks.
    Originally posted by elaine373
    When you are in receipt of an nhs bursary, you arent entitled to any of the other finance that is available to non nhs students, ie hardship funds, uni based bursaries etc. its nhs bursary and nothing else

    My DD is starting uni this year and with maintenance loan, grant and additional uni bursary, she is getting roughly double my nhs bursary. Ok the nhs bursary is free money, but if i had the choice i would rather have access to more money now rather than worry about owing more, when i graduate
    • elaine373
    • By elaine373 3rd Sep 13, 12:17 AM
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    When you are in receipt of an nhs bursary, you arent entitled to any of the other finance that is available to non nhs students, ie hardship funds, uni based bursaries etc. its nhs bursary and nothing else

    My DD is starting uni this year and with maintenance loan, grant and additional uni bursary, she is getting roughly double my nhs bursary. Ok the nhs bursary is free money, but if i had the choice i would rather have access to more money now rather than worry about owing more, when i graduate
    Originally posted by flea72
    So that's why I can't find the extra help. Thank you, it makes sense now.
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    • Tergat
    • By Tergat 3rd Sep 13, 10:56 PM
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    • 3rd Sep 13, 10:56 PM
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    • 3rd Sep 13, 10:56 PM
    Apologies for the long post but am asking this on behalf of my sister who is going to first year in uni and i didnt study in England so dunno how this works....

    She is going to Northumbria Uni to study a Social Work degree.
    for year 1 i know (based on my mums income and its been confirmed)
    - student loan company - 4k per year loan plus 3.4k in grants payable in sept, jan and apr. Also seperate loan will cover the c.9k fees for the year.
    - bursary from uni - 4k per year standard bursary (1k payable in jan, feb, apr and may) plus a 2k bursary for academic results

    Q1 - does anyone know when the academic results bursary is paid - i assume its the start of the academic year to help ease cash flows problems?

    In 2nd year she is then eligible to potentially get the NHS bursary.

    Q2. Do I have it right in that in qualifying for this (I assume its the top x% in the country are awarded this) it is on top of the current finances above, i.e it acts as an incentive to get good results and you are given what is basically a reward for this. Surely its not instead of the current bursaries as I dont really see that making any difference (NHS bursary would just replace the current uni bursary, no?)

    Q3. What are the amounts of the NHS bursary, is it means tested, when is it paid etc - struggling to find good info on this


    Help on this would be much appreciated.

    Cheers
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 4th Sep 13, 7:37 AM
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    I have heard of bursaries based on academic results to attract the highest achieving candidates. so they are given to those that meet certain grades on entry. Not sure if it is paid annually up front (to ease cash flow) or termly (assists budgetting).
    • Tergat
    • By Tergat 4th Sep 13, 5:01 PM
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    Thanks for that Silver!

    Anyone else any advice on the rest?
    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 4th Sep 13, 6:56 PM
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    Q1 - does anyone know when the academic results bursary is paid - i assume its the start of the academic year to help ease cash flows problems?

    For this I would contact the university directly - each university will stick to their set of rules, as this will be a local grant of sorts....

    It may even be school specific - so she should call the finance people, and let them talk her through it...

    In 2nd year she is then eligible to potentially get the NHS bursary.

    potentially yes.

    Q2. Do I have it right in that in qualifying for this (I assume its the top x% in the country are awarded this) it is on top of the current finances above, i.e it acts as an incentive to get good results and you are given what is basically a reward for this. Surely its not instead of the current bursaries as I dont really see that making any difference (NHS bursary would just replace the current uni bursary, no?)

    I am currently a 3rd year sw student, and we all get it. When working as a student ambassador I got the impression that the most 'needy' and deserving students would get it.

    This may not necessarily mean that she will get it - it may or may not be linked to results. They may well play a part.

    However due to the nature of the course they will be all about equal opps - so people with a disability, or learning difficulties may be put forward - it may be about people who have struggled to get on the course.

    It may be about mature students who are changing their lives. There may be some kind of scoring system - they will probably cover this in induction week - as I imagine that 99% of the students will want to know.

    The student finance its will be the same (it may go up by about £100 a year though) - the university bursary / grant is again university and course specific - so she needs to speak with them.

    Q. I am a student starting an Undergraduate course in September; will I be guaranteed a bursary next year when I go into my second year?
    No, there’s no guarantee of you receiving
    a bursary as there will be a reduced and
    restricted number of
    bursaries offered.
    If you do not receive an allocated bursary you
    may still be eligible for Placement Travel
    Allowance, this is currently £862.50

    taken from the bursary website.

    Q3. What are the amounts of the NHS bursary, is it means tested, when is it paid etc - struggling to find good info on this

    hahahaha took me weeks and I am a returning student - mine is £4575.00 (£575 of which is a travel allowance)

    It seems the travel allowance is now £862.50 - so these figures may have changed.

    The installment dates mirror those of student finance give or take a few days (the first will always be after the student finance payment as they let them know that you've enrolled)...

    Help on this would be much appreciated.

    Cheers
    Originally posted by Tergat
    Hope this helps a bit.

    Sorry a lot of the advice is at points to call the university - but each will do it differently.

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    • devildog
    • By devildog 4th Sep 13, 7:24 PM
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    We have found that Student Finance pays money in 3 installments over the year, NHS pays monthly for the whole 12 month period.
    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 4th Sep 13, 7:42 PM
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    We have found that Student Finance pays money in 3 installments over the year, NHS pays monthly for the whole 12 month period.
    Originally posted by devildog
    the three years of my sw degree i have had three payments each year.

    Are you training to be a nurse?

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    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 4th Sep 13, 7:45 PM
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    The bursary is paid in three equal instalments:

    • The first instalment will be paid when your application has been assessed as eligible and no later than 10 working days from the date we receive confirmation of your course enrolment, attendance and place on capping list from your HEI, or 10 working days from the date of your bursary notification letter, whichever is the later.
    • The second instalment will normally be paid by 10 January 2014 (11 April 2014 for winter start courses, or 20 June 2014 for spring start courses), as long as you have received your first instalment.
    • The third instalment will normally be paid by 11 April 2014 (1 August 2014 for winter start courses, or 29 August 2014 for spring start courses), as long as you have received your second instalment and we are not waiting for evidence of any estimated income for you or your partner (this will be noted on your award notification).
    http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/Students/987.aspx


    unless they change the system the SW bursary from the NHS will be in three installments - Sept/Oct, Jan and April/May

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    • Tergat
    • By Tergat 4th Sep 13, 7:48 PM
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    Hope this helps a bit.

    Sorry a lot of the advice is at points to call the university - but each will do it differently.
    Originally posted by nimbo
    Cheers for the above advise! Appreciated.

    Just on the NHS bursary - did you get this on top of the uni bursary you got or is it instead of them? I think in getting the NHS one my sis would actually be getting less than the current uni ones which would be strange.

    I think from 2013 they seem to have cut down on the number of people who are going to get the NHS bursary so will have to see how it plays out. again, the issue was whether this would be granted as well as the uni ones you get.
    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 4th Sep 13, 8:05 PM
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    I don't get a bursary from my university.

    Students who receive the full maintenance grant (I don't) get a grant of about £350 - but nothing even nearly as large as the bursaries you have mentioned. And they did get both, but due to the size I think it may be a replacement for the NHS Bursary, but this is only my thought on it...

    Sorry I can't help on that front.

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  • Dunroamin
    Cheers for the above advise! Appreciated.

    Just on the NHS bursary - did you get this on top of the uni bursary you got or is it instead of them? I think in getting the NHS one my sis would actually be getting less than the current uni ones which would be strange.

    I think from 2013 they seem to have cut down on the number of people who are going to get the NHS bursary so will have to see how it plays out. again, the issue was whether this would be granted as well as the uni ones you get.
    Originally posted by Tergat
    See post #7.
    • Tergat
    • By Tergat 4th Sep 13, 11:07 PM
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    See post #7.
    Originally posted by Dunroamin
    Yeah I did see that but it doesnt make much sense. Does it replace both bursaries that my sister will be getting - the standard uni one and academic results based one? If so then its not worth applying for as she will get less money from it.
    • nimbo
    • By nimbo 5th Sep 13, 9:07 AM
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    When you are in receipt of an nhs bursary, you arent entitled to any of the other finance that is available to non nhs students, ie hardship funds, uni based bursaries etc. its nhs bursary and nothing else

    My DD is starting uni this year and with maintenance loan, grant and additional uni bursary, she is getting roughly double my nhs bursary. Ok the nhs bursary is free money, but if i had the choice i would rather have access to more money now rather than worry about owing more, when i graduate
    Originally posted by flea72
    this is different for the social work bursary - it is funded through the NHS but fees aren't paid, and loans and grants ARE given.

    If I had no study previously I would be entitled to: (as a social work student)
    full fee support a loan of £however much my uni would charge
    maintenance LOAN
    maintenance GRANT - these depend on parental earning if appropriate
    Social work Bursary around £4.5 k - slightly higher in London
    University grant - around £350 at my university.
    Child care paid at 85% (I think) IF I had children, and the care met certain criteria...

    Nurses get their fees paid, and a monthly 'income' from the NHS - it works out as less then I get, but it doesn't have to be paid back (or a hell of a lot less does)...

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