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    • Lizling
    • By Lizling 30th May 13, 8:45 PM
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    Solid wood/Composite/uPVC door?
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    • 30th May 13, 8:45 PM
    Solid wood/Composite/uPVC door? 30th May 13 at 8:45 PM
    Is there really much difference in terms of security?

    I've had 3 quotes for solid wood front doors and they've all been over 1000 (including fitting), which seems a lot! Are they really worth the extra compared to other sorts of doors?
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    • Ionkontrol
    • By Ionkontrol 30th May 13, 9:45 PM
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    • 30th May 13, 9:45 PM
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    • 30th May 13, 9:45 PM
    PVC = worst
    Wood (Hardwood) = Perfectly adequate.
    Quality Composite (Rockdoor) = Best.

    Remember, locks and frame are the weakest part of a front door.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 31st May 13, 9:06 AM
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    • 31st May 13, 9:06 AM
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    • 31st May 13, 9:06 AM
    There is a fundamental flaw when front doors are fitted to many homes.

    All timber doors require an adequate porch detail - but this has not been allowed for by builders over the last seventy years. The result is timber front doors are subject to excessive rain and sunlight. They then deteriorate.

    However, if the house is sheltered, or not facing direct sun, or prevailing rain, the door survives longer.

    Look at your door position when making a decision. But be aware a dark coloured composite door without an adequate porch, and facing direct sun, can give problems. This can be with colour fade, distortion and in the worst cases cracking.
    • LEJC
    • By LEJC 31st May 13, 9:52 AM
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    • 31st May 13, 9:52 AM
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    • 31st May 13, 9:52 AM
    Ive had all three types of doors over the years...upvc was my least favourite...but both wood and composite have been very good.

    My wooden dorr lasted well we took it down about 18 months ago but it had been up for 20 years or so...the composite seems very good and substantial and is fairing well.

    From a security point of view the composite has been by far the best locking mechanism than any of our previous doors.
    • woodbutcher
    • By woodbutcher 31st May 13, 7:02 PM
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    • 31st May 13, 7:02 PM
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    • 31st May 13, 7:02 PM
    Having fitted many doors over the years, i always had a preference for a good hardwood door over uPVC.

    Composite doors (quality ones at least) are very good and score highly on security, ease of fitting and if looked after, fairly maintenance free.

    There are issues with dark ones expanding in hot weather and becoming difficult to operate and also the issue of fading when in direct sunlight for long periods.

    If i was fitting a new door on my house, think i'd probably slightly favour a composite over a hardwood one.
  • rainbow12
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    • 31st May 13, 11:16 PM
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    • 31st May 13, 11:16 PM
    Composite doors wont warp like wood and dont require regular painting.
    And if you cant see a composite door in the colour you want take it to a car sprayets and they'll spray it any colour you wany
    • Furts
    • By Furts 1st Jun 13, 12:28 PM
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    • 1st Jun 13, 12:28 PM
    And if you cant see a composite door in the colour you want take it to a car sprayets and they'll spray it any colour you wany
    Originally posted by rainbow12
    And if you want to invalidate the guarantee on the door, I cannot think of a better way of doing it.
  • Tobytony
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    • 3rd Jun 13, 8:29 PM
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    • 3rd Jun 13, 8:29 PM
    Composite once fitted correctly no maintance no problems
    • Lizling
    • By Lizling 4th Jun 13, 1:45 PM
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    • 4th Jun 13, 1:45 PM
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    • 4th Jun 13, 1:45 PM
    Seems that the consensus is composite then!

    Should I expect to pay even more for composite than the quotes I've had for hardwood? I was really hoping not to have to go over about 800.
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    • LEJC
    • By LEJC 4th Jun 13, 1:54 PM
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    possibly looking at around 1000 for composite ours was 1100 with a top window fully fitted in new frame etc.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 4th Jun 13, 8:12 PM
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    Seems that the consensus is composite then!

    Should I expect to pay even more for composite than the quotes I've had for hardwood? I was really hoping not to have to go over about 800.
    Originally posted by Lizling
    If you shop around it is possible to get below 800. Like everything there are mark ups on composite doors but shrewd dealing can achieve good prices. You could make a trade sourced purchase if you are then able to get it fitted. In this case the door should be around 500 plus fitting.
    • raikky
    • By raikky 4th Jun 13, 8:27 PM
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    we recently had a composite door. . we paid 500 plus 100 for fitting. we measured our door. went to this little workshop which looks like only tradesppl use it as it was on some dinky street and the guy built me on. took 2 weeks but very happy. much better than the quote we got from safestyle at 1160.
    • Lizling
    • By Lizling 6th Jun 13, 7:53 PM
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    we recently had a composite door. . we paid 500 plus 100 for fitting. we measured our door. went to this little workshop which looks like only tradesppl use it as it was on some dinky street and the guy built me on. took 2 weeks but very happy. much better than the quote we got from safestyle at 1160.
    Originally posted by raikky
    I tried a tiny local workshop too: quoted 1100 for a hardwood door with no glass, so I got another quote from someone recommended by a friend - 1070. Will just have to bite the bullet if that really is the going rate. I've got 1 last guy to try so I'll ask him to quote for both hardwood and composite and I can compare.
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  • rainbow12
    Raikky, can you say where this little workshop was?
    Furts, any particular companies? I have been given a trade quote online which was pretty much the same as retail price
    • jenniemiller177
    • By jenniemiller177 6th Jun 13, 8:10 PM
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    Composite doors are definitely better. They do cost a bit more but its worth it if you can afford it.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 7th Jun 13, 5:04 AM
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    Raikky, can you say where this little workshop was?
    Furts, any particular companies? I have been given a trade quote online which was pretty much the same as retail price
    Originally posted by rainbow12
    It depends where you are in the UK. Try to find out where your local independent window fitters buy from - then contact these.

    Also ask your local builders merchants. They will know where to go to, plus what they can source including specialist and companies such as Jeldwen and Premdor.

    There are manufacturers outlets such as Seven Day Windows. There are others, such as Window Fitters Mate.

    B&Q Tradepoint do a white door for around 420 and had 10% off last Monday. Do not bother with Wickes unless you have a discount vouchers or a promotion.
  • rainbow12
    Thanks Furts I'll have a look
  • puddy
    i want a composite front door but i want it in a sage green, the ones ive seen so far seem to come in a standard 7 colours which i dont like. i noticed above that the suggestion about spray painting it would invalidate the warranty, is that true?
  • rainbow12
    Hi Puddy
    There are a couple of companies now doing a sage green-ish colour called 'Chartwell green'. It costs extra but is a nice colour. I cant remember the name of the companies off the top of my head though
  • j40bat
    Cracked/Faded and now bits missing!!!
    Sadly our composite dark blue front door has faded and cracked. Having read the information on this forum I have just contacted the supplier as the door came with a 10 year guarantee and I would expect them to fix it.
    Now having looked at the door and the sidelight windows I also find a couple of the lead around the diamond cut and colored glass is missing should the guarantee cover the replacement of that too?
    What rights do we have? Supplier on the phone now and not sure if it is covered but will come out Wednesday to take pictures!!! Is the guarentee with the supplier ? I am a bit worried they will say it is the manufacture and we will end up in an email/letter war over who should repair/replace it!!!! Advise on this would be very much appreciated.
    Thanks j40bat

    There is a fundamental flaw when front doors are fitted to many homes.

    All timber doors require an adequate porch detail - but this has not been allowed for by builders over the last seventy years. The result is timber front doors are subject to excessive rain and sunlight. They then deteriorate.

    However, if the house is sheltered, or not facing direct sun, or prevailing rain, the door survives longer.

    Look at your door position when making a decision. But be aware a dark coloured composite door without an adequate porch, and facing direct sun, can give problems. This can be with colour fade, distortion and in the worst cases cracking.
    Originally posted by Furts
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