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  • Martyn1981
    Martyn1981 Posts: 14,762 Forumite
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    Sorry Michaels, did that make any sense?

    Basically lets say the FiT is 12p and capped at 3,000kWh, then a great location generating 4,000kWh would get £360, whilst a not so good location could still generate 3,000kWh and also get £360.

    If the FiT was say 9p uncapped, the better location would still get £360, but the lesser location would 'only' get £270, and might not be able to install.

    Obviously these are only example figures that compare well for aesthetic purposes. Perhaps a better figure would be 10p and capped, given the current FaTness of the FiT.

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • warrenb
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    Rather than have a staggered FiT payment for the size of the system, have a staggered rate for Kwh produced, so say 12p for up to 3000kwh then 9p for 3001-5000 kwh and so on. This makes far more sense, as smaller or less efficient systems will still get payed the same as before, but a larger system would get a steadily reducing rate.
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  • ed110220
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    If they cut the FIT to the point where solar pv is only viable on larger, south facing roofs in the South of England then surely there is a danger that the market will be so reduced that it becomes niche again and act against the downward pressure on prices.

    Such a disappointing and backwards policy on renewables from this government when other countries such as America and China are pushing ahead.

    Ed
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  • Martyn1981
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    Beginning to regret pointing out that domestic PV could soon be cheaper than nuclear.

    When on-shore wind undercut nuclear, the govt cut support.
    When large scale PV undercut nuclear, the govt cut support.

    Now domestic PV is closing in on the in-coming nuclear subsidy rate, it looks like the government is .......... well you can guess!

    I bet off-shore wind is getting worried. In five years time that'll probably also undercut nuclear .... the kiss of death?

    Consultation on a review of the Feed-in Tariffs scheme
    This consultation proposes a set of measures to control costs under the Feed-in Tariff, including revised tariffs based on updated technology cost data, a more stringent degression mechanism and deployment caps leading to the phased closure of the scheme in 2018-19.

    It proposes that if such measures cannot put the scheme on an affordable and sustainable footing then there should be an end to generation tariffs for new applicants as soon as legislatively possible, which we would expect to be January 2016.

    It also proposes other measures to ensure the scheme is more closely aligned with other DECC policy.

    Looks like the energy generation subsidy that goes to households could be in danger. Leaving all of us paying for subsidies that only go to large supply side companies, especially French and Chinese ones.

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981
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    Feed-in tariff future in doubt as government moves to slash renewable energy incentives
    the consultation proposes re-banding support for small rooftop solar installations so systems with less than 4kW of capacity would be moved into a new band for systems with less than 10kW capacity and tariffs would be cut from 12.47p/kWh currently to 1.63p/kWh from January 2016, a fall of 87 per cent.
    A new band for systems with 10-50kW of capacity would offer tariffs of 3.69p/kWh, representing a similarly sharp reduction on the 11.30p/kWh currently on offer for 4-50kW systems.

    Under the proposals, larger systems with more than 1,000kW of capacity, typically favoured by businesses and public sector bodies, would see tariffs of 5.94p/kWh slashed by around 80 per cent to 1.03p/kWh.
    But the renewable energy industry has countered that subsidies have a relatively small impact on bills and that it would be possible to reduce support gradually in a way that would put onshore wind and solar in particular on a course towards delivering projects that could be built at grid parity by the end of the decade.

    A recent report by the Solar Trade Association argued it would add just £1.69 to household bills to deliver a solar industry that by 2020 could operate without subsidies while making a significant contribution to the UK's renewable energy and emission reduction targets.
    Friends of the Earth energy campaigner Alasdair Cameron said the proposed cuts were "absurd" and predicted they would prevent almost a million homes, schools and hospitals from installing renewable energy generation.

    "Of course the feed-in tariff should fall as solar becomes cheaper, but the government clearly plans to remove support entirely," he said. "This is politically-motivated, and will take away power from people and hand it back to big energy firms."

    "Instead of championing fossil fuels, the Government should focus on developing the UK's huge renewable energy potential.
    "Policies like this will further undermine David Cameron's credibility on climate change. World leaders meeting in Paris later this year will have every right to call him a hypocrite."

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • EricMears
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    Not "Ouch" for us - just the newbies.
    From last month's grauniad
    http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jul/22/how-solar-panel-subsidy-cuts-affect-you-installation
    I’ve already got panels and receive payments. Will the review affect me?
    No. The government has confirmed it will not cut future payments promised to households that have already installed panels – in most cases for 20-25 years depending on when they were installed.
    Indeed, it even suggests that anyone thinking about SPs does it soon (or maybe not at all).
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  • Martyn1981
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    Solar can meet Western Australia's daytime power needs, says state minister
    "We expect that the bulk of generating capacity during sunlight hours in the [Perth] metro area in about 10 years time will be provided by rooftop solar," said Nahan. "That’s the reality. So it is going to provide the bulk of additional capacity going forward."

    "Solar will also displace a lot of the existing [coal-based] capacity," he added. "It’s low-priced, it’s democratically determined and it’s something we’re committed to facilitating."

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
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    I have osteoarthritis in my hands so I speak my messages into a microphone using Dragon. Some people make "typos" but I often make "speakos".
  • Cardew
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    Martyn1981 wrote: »
    http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2014_02_03_Solar_Scam.html


    Citizens Electoral Council of Australia

    Media Release Monday, 3 February 2014


    Craig Isherwood‚ National Secretary
    PO Box 376‚ COBURG‚ VIC 3058
    Phone: 1800 636 432
    Email: [EMAIL="cec@cecaust.com.au"]cec@cecaust.com.au[/EMAIL]
    Website: http://www.cecaust.com.au


    Stop the solar scam now!


    Australians have wasted untold billions of dollars on solar power and it is a major reason why our electricity prices are close to the highest in the world, and on track to go much higher. The sun-worshipping cult of solar power has been enforced ever since the Howard government introduced the Mandatory Renewable Energy Target (MRET) on April Fools’ Day of 2001.
    As of 1 January 2014 the Clean Energy Regulator identified Australia has 1,161,245 solar photovoltaic (PV) panel systems with a rated output of 3,096 MW. The catch is that for most of the day they produce far less than this maximum rating, in winter they dribble out the power and at night they produce zip, absolutely nothing.
    Worse still, like a wrecking ball, these solar panels are destroying the entire electricity grid, forcing coal-fired power stations to run at slower speeds—sometimes at 60 per cent capacity as they are too big to just switch on and off. Running in such a way has been likened to a jumbo jet constantly ascending and descending, rather than cruising at a high altitude. It’s very inefficient and forces the coal-fired power stations to burn more fuel per unit power output. (This discounts any perceived zero-emissions benefit of solar power.) Then, early in the evening, peak demand occurs when the sun is setting and solar power is useless.
    The grid requires reliable baseload power—intermittent solar power is killing the system. Aside from the daily and yearly solar variation, constantly shifting cloud cover can dramatically drop and spike solar PV output and wreak havoc over the electricity grid.
    Over the course of the year, the entire array of Australian PV rooftop solar panels will produce 4,180 gigawatt hours of electricity, less than what just one typical coal-fired power station would produce. For example, in 2012/13 the 750 MW coal-fired Kogan Creek Power Station recorded an availability of 87.8 per cent and sent out 5,189 gigawatt hours of electricity. Commissioned in 2007, it cost just $1.2 billion to build.
    By contrast, Australians have spent $8 billion of their own money on highly subsidised solar panels, costing taxpayers, businesses and all electricity consumers and having a flow-on effect estimated to have cost the Australian economy tens of billions of dollars.
    Sun worshippers were crowing in January, that the enormous volume of solar panels on roofs in Victoria and South Australia saved those states from blackouts and brownouts during the five-day heat wave from 13-17 January. Solar from 350,000 homes and businesses in those states was estimated to reduce peak demand by 4.6 per cent. In fact, even this figure—small though it is—is bogus. Conventional power stations had surplus capacity and at their peak output on 16 January after 4:30 pm, the PV solar collectors were contributing just 3.1 per cent. On average they only contribute a measly 1.7 per cent to Australia’s total electricity generation.
    Anyone with solar panels getting paid a feed-in tariff to sell electricity back into the grid might think solar is great. They are actually being subsidised by everyone else, particularly the poor and most vulnerable in society who cannot afford to buy solar panels, but have to pay much higher bills so the power companies can pay extra for solar power. In Queensland, the government power companies pay 70 per cent more for surplus solar power than they charge for their own power.
    While Australia has only built two coal-fired power stations in the last decade, China is building around one every week and they have 29 nuclear reactors currently under construction. Isn’t it time to stop this solar scam and start building proper baseload power infrastructure, including nuclear to utilise our enormous uranium and thorium reserves, before China leaves us in the dust?
    Click here for a free DVD copy of “The Fraud of Free Energy”, which reveals some of the massive “hidden” costs of solar power.
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  • Martyn1981
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    Cardew wrote: »

    Citizens Electoral Council of Australia

    Media Release Monday, 3 February 2014

    Interesting company you keep?

    Citizens Electoral Council
    The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia (CEC) is a minor nationalist political party in Australia affiliated with the international LaRouche Movement, led by American political activist and conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche. It reported having 549 members in 2007. They have been described as "far right", "fascist" and "lunar right," as well as "ideologues on the economic Left."

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
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