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    • skylight
    • By skylight 20th Feb 07, 12:35 PM
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    • #2
    • 20th Feb 07, 12:35 PM
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    • 20th Feb 07, 12:35 PM
    Harold is Dumping it. He does not want it. He obviously does not want advice either to see if it may be worth something as he would have asked someone before now.

    Unless he is a dodgery old man who is starting to lose his marbles, then take it, sell it and keep the profits. Why is taking Harolds dumped stuff any different from taking skipped dumped, or tipped dumped (Or dare I suggest ) freecycled dumped??
  • lastofthebarons
    • #3
    • 20th Feb 07, 11:28 PM
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    • 20th Feb 07, 11:28 PM
    If you are happy if someone did that to you, you may think it OK. Perhaps you have lousy neighbours. But it isn't, in my opinion, good to act this way and morals are what define what is good and if it isn't good, in the general sense, it isn't moral. What makes you think that they don't want advice? If someone is ignorant of the value of something and thinks it is worthless then surely it is better to let them know. They may well say take it anyway and good luck, they may not. At least they will know you, their neighbour, can be trusted so you will have built yourself some goodwill for yourself.

    It may be, that like some of our politicians, you don't think anyone matters but you. Join the new morality.
    • Mics_chick
    • By Mics_chick 21st Feb 07, 12:07 AM
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    • #4
    • 21st Feb 07, 12:07 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 12:07 AM
    Yes she should! He dumped it so she owes him nothing...
    Why is it any different to finding something in a skip or buying something at a car boot for 50p because you know that it's possible to sell it for more money elsewhere???

    Editted to add: Apart from as a previous poster has suggested that the person dumping the stuff is unlikely to know the value and it is obviously something valuable like an antique. That is if the person is very old or has a learning disability or something similar...
    Last edited by Mics_chick; 21-02-2007 at 12:12 AM.
    You should never call somebody else a nerd or geek because everybody (even YOU !!!) is an
    "anorak" about something whether it's trains, computers, football, shoes or celebs
    • cheddar
    • By cheddar 21st Feb 07, 12:46 AM
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    • #5
    • 21st Feb 07, 12:46 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 12:46 AM
    I don't see why she shouldn't unless it was something worth a LOT of money and you would either think that ther neighbour had lost it or that they had thrown it out by accident.

    I don't see how this is different to me one day finding an almost new designer dress in a charity shop for 50p and selling it for £40 on ebay. The person donated/gave it away. I happened to make a profit on it for next to nothing....
  • problemsolver
    • #6
    • 21st Feb 07, 2:34 AM
    The right thing to do?
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    • 21st Feb 07, 2:34 AM
    Be the good neighbour. Let's use our knowledge to help our friends and neighbours. Give our neighbour / local charity shop a hefty whack of the proceeds. Rather than taking advantage of our friends and neighbours, let's help them out - it's what living in a community / our society is all about.

    Not all benefits are monetary, we might make ourselves a few good friends - and next time they want to get rid of stuff - they'll ask for our help - and before we know it we've got a nice little business going.

    Just because there's no law against ripping your neighbour off - it doesnt make it right.
  • VCE_in_Fornax
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    • 21st Feb 07, 6:45 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 6:45 AM
    Completely agree with problemsolver and lastofthebarons.
    Harold may not know about the value of his stuff or about Ebay, or have a pc, and if you benefit from his generosity (he could after put all that stuff in his household refuse to be collected), you should let him know a/ what you think his stuff might fetch and b/ that you can sell it for him if he agrees: he might offer you to keep half or he might not, and you might gain a friendly neighbour who'll look out for you when you need it (those winter mornings when you need someone to help start the car?) or you might not. But if you were going to sell it anyway, it's not much trouble, is it? And yes you run the risk of being disappointed, but I'd rather be straight than not.
    • notken
    • By notken 21st Feb 07, 7:28 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 7:28 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 7:28 AM
    I would tell Harold that I sold them on eBay and share the profit with him. He would be over the moon for the extra money, and everyone wins.

    My business partner and I are sent various bits of crap from companies, and he can't usually be bothered to eBay it. I do, and I always give him half if I sell something that was sent to him but he doesn't want. But keep the lot if it was addressed to me!

  • littlejo
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    • 21st Feb 07, 7:32 AM
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    • 21st Feb 07, 7:32 AM
    No dout about it!! he didn't want it. If there really is a dought in Madges mind, then give a donation to her favourite charity out of the profit. Then she has not done it for her own profit but to help others as well.
    What problemsolver has said is right even though I would just sell it, I raise a lot of money for charity and sometimes charity begins at home.
  • dee mum of 3
    id say keep it he dumped it he doesnt want it,sell it on ebay.
    dee mum of 3 "before you buy ...think,how many hours have i worked to pay for this?,do i need it? or can i get it r&r in tesco!! hee heee
    • joannie
    • By joannie 21st Feb 07, 7:56 AM
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    She should be a good neighnour and friend and tell him.
    • Pete Biggs
    • By Pete Biggs 21st Feb 07, 8:08 AM
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    Pete Biggs
    This is exactly what Madge should do - she should get something for going to the effort of listing it but not telling Harold that she'd put the stuff on eBay would be dishonest.

    I would tell Harold that I sold them on eBay and share the profit with him. He would be over the moon for the extra money, and everyone wins.
    by notken
    • Idiophreak
    • By Idiophreak 21st Feb 07, 8:23 AM
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    I don't agree with any of you that say "he obviously didn't want it", that isn't automatically the case. Maybe he did want it, just thought it was time for a clear out.

    From what the OP says, it is clear that Harold knows the stuff is of some value - that's why he's asking other people to grab it if they want it - if he thought it was complete junk he'd just have thrown it out.

    That being the case, he's probably put the stuff out in quite a charitable way - it's stuff he doesn't *need*, but he thinks some of his friends and neighbours might benefit from it.

    So if you take it and sell it, you're taking it from your other neighbours who, maybe couldn't afford to buy whatever it is for themselves.

    Taking it and selling it would be a bit like going to a homeless food shelter, grabbing yourself some soup, then going outside and trying to sell it on to a beggar. Not a nice way to behave.

    I'd suggest to him that a couple of the things would sell well on ebay and that if nobody else wanted them in a couple of days, I'd be happy to help sell them and split the profits.
    • gwynevans
    • By gwynevans 21st Feb 07, 8:27 AM
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    left a heap of stuff outside for people to help themselves to if they want.
    by MSE Natasha
    Note that this bit changes it from the more normal situation of being put out for the rubbish collection.
  • cloudypops
    While he obviously does not want the stuff, it would be nice to mention to him that he could sell the stuff on ebay. If he's not interested then great Madge should help herself and get on with selling, if he is then Madge is no worse off than she was yesterday, and she could even help him get started on ebay and probably improve their neighbourly relationship.
    • Idiophreak
    • By Idiophreak 21st Feb 07, 8:59 AM
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    If he's not interested then great Madge should help herself and get on with selling
    by cloudypops
    But what if he didn't want to sell them on ebay as he wanted his friends and neighbours to have what he'd put out?
  • kasper
    I think there's a good chance that he put the stuff out on the street as a friendly gesture towards his neighbours in which case ebaying the lot might be taking advantage of his good nature a bit. However, he might have stuck it out on the street because he was too lazy to take it any further, in which case it's fair game, in my opinion. The trouble is figuring out which motive he had...
  • IanatSeaton
    Whatever his motives when he put these things out, they were unwanted by him, and made available for his neighbours. Surely his neighbours are entitled to use those items in any way to benefit themselves. Thus I see no reason why they should not sell them on eBay, and make them some money to buy other items that they really need and want.
    How could he object to that?
    • morg_monster
    • By morg_monster 21st Feb 07, 9:25 AM
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    I had a similar issue with a charity shop near me which sells paperbacks for £1 and hardbacks for £2. They had a 2-for-1 sale last summer so I picked up a bunch of textbooks to sell on Amazon because I had a serious cashflow problem. I was only expecting to get a few quid for each, so didn't have a huge ethical dilemma over it, plus there's no way the people who run the shop would have time / knowledge etc to sell the items on the internet themselves (they are a small local charity, not like Oxfam who I know do employ people to identify more valuable books)

    Anyway I ended up selling one for £50 and one for £60, so I felt a bit mercenary and to ease my conscience donated £25 of the profit to the charity. I suppose I could have been more generous but at the time I was seriously strapped. I still use the shop a lot to buy books etc (but I buy them to read now, not specifically to sell!) any more and always take my finished books back to them rather than selling them, now my financial situation is better. So I feel I pay them back in patronage!

    I don't feel I took too much advantage of them but you might disagree...!
    • NatFeerick
    • By NatFeerick 21st Feb 07, 10:06 AM
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    Harold is throwing the stuff out - he's not entitled to know what happens to it after. If Madge asked him if he had a spare food processor she could have, THEN she ebay'd it, that would be wrong, but to take something he is discarding anyway and sell it on is perfectly acceptable and the only reason Harold might be upset is that he didn't think of it first!
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