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    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 14th Aug 10, 3:03 PM
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    No fensa certificate and can't exchange without it
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    • 14th Aug 10, 3:03 PM
    No fensa certificate and can't exchange without it 14th Aug 10 at 3:03 PM
    I was supposed to exchange yesterday but have just found out that I have no FENSA certification for some replacement windows I had installed 5 years ago. There is a 10 year guarantee on the windows but the buyers lawyer wants the certificate. What can I do as they have already beaten me down on price following their surveys (3 of them). Thanks for any advice.
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  • Bananamana
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    • 14th Aug 10, 3:06 PM
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    • 14th Aug 10, 3:06 PM
    Indemnity insurance at a cost of around £30. Cheapest and quickest way.

    waste of money to have someone come out to FENSA certify/ building control sign off.

    Also do a search of your house on the FENSA website as maybe you never were sent the cert. A new one will cost £12.

    This really shouldnt be holding up an exchange.
  • tbs624
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    • 14th Aug 10, 3:45 PM
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    • 14th Aug 10, 3:45 PM
    The indemnity insurance will only offer cover against the council pursuing for non certification, so your buyers may prefer to have a buildings control officer come out to sign it off - 70/80 quid or thereabouts when we last had one done.
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 11:36 AM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 11:36 AM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 11:36 AM
    Yes the building inspector can do it too at a cost.
    Have contacted the window firm who installed and am trying to initially get them to get one as they are FENSA registered and don't know why they didn't give me one in the first place.

    Bananamana -I was surprised at your comment that this shouldn't have to hold up exchange because the buyers wouldn't want to buy my house if there was something the matter with the windows surely? I can understand why they want certification.

    Thanks all.
    • hellokitty08
    • By hellokitty08 16th Aug 10, 12:32 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 12:32 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 12:32 PM
    Didnt know you could check fensa for the certificates, that might come in usefull one day.
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 1:45 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 1:45 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 1:45 PM
    Didnt know you could check fensa for the certificates, that might come in usefull one day.
    Originally posted by hellokitty08
    Yes you can call them up and give them your post code for them to search for your FENSA number or reference.
    • Horizon81
    • By Horizon81 16th Aug 10, 1:52 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 1:52 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 1:52 PM
    Interesting read. Do all solicitors during conveyancing check when windows were last replaced and request Fensa certificate accordingly? How do they know when they were replaced? Does the vendor have to declare it?
  • Bananamana
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    • 16th Aug 10, 6:31 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 6:31 PM
    Yes the building inspector can do it too at a cost.
    Have contacted the window firm who installed and am trying to initially get them to get one as they are FENSA registered and don't know why they didn't give me one in the first place.

    Bananamana -I was surprised at your comment that this shouldn't have to hold up exchange because the buyers wouldn't want to buy my house if there was something the matter with the windows surely? I can understand why they want certification.

    Thanks all.
    Originally posted by Catbells
    They are 5 years old - if there was an issue it probably would have come to light by now. Tbh if there was an issue it would have been flagged on survey. Its a frequent issue in conveyancing as a lot of installers fail to issue the certificate which causes a problem down the line.

    I have not for a long time (in fact I can't recall an instance if im honest) seen anyone insist on the council coming out to inspect to delay an exchange.

    Yes you can call them up and give them your post code for them to search for your FENSA number or reference.
    Originally posted by Catbells
    Or check the website and type your post code in ^^

    Interesting read. Do all solicitors during conveyancing check when windows were last replaced and request Fensa certificate accordingly? How do they know when they were replaced? Does the vendor have to declare it?
    Originally posted by Horizon81
    Its in the property information "have you replaced any windows since 2002". If you lie and the buyer finds out it's a misrepresentation and they can sue .
  • Cashsaver
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    • 16th Aug 10, 7:00 PM
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    • 16th Aug 10, 7:00 PM
    Does this mean you dont need a FENSA cert if the windows and doors were installed before 2002?
  • Bananamana
    Does this mean you dont need a FENSA cert if the windows and doors were installed before 2002?
    Originally posted by Cashsaver
    correct

    The Government's Approved Document L (Fuel Conservation) was issued on 31 October 2001. It extended Building Regulations to cover replacement window and door installation from April 2002.
  • Ankatden
    http://www.fensa.co.uk/asp/certificate.asp

    As another poster has said.

    Should use as part of due diligence in buying a house anyway.
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 16th Aug 10, 7:26 PM
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    Is it illegal not to have a fensa cert then?
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • pimento
    • By pimento 16th Aug 10, 7:31 PM
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    Sounds like an excuse for a discount if you ask me.
    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." -- Red Adair
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 7:40 PM
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    Sounds like an excuse for a discount if you ask me.
    Originally posted by pimento
    I've told them that there's to be no more chipping away at the price even if there isn't a FENSA certificate. Their solicitor is like Jaws. She leaves no stone unturned.

    We have a rather nice beam in the kitchen and she has demanded it be clad in 30 minute fire protection plasterboard - ugly stuff. Thats costing me a further £500. The buyers will tear it down as they didn't want it - only their solicitor wanted it.

    A bit worrying that I've just had a personal email from the buyers asking for my insurance policy number so they can transfer!! Haven'\t replied to it. Consulting solicitor and EA first.

    Whose house is it anyways?!
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 7:43 PM
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    Is it illegal not to have a fensa cert then?
    Originally posted by GDB2222
    GOOD QUESTION. I don't know. But I think its a lead up to knocking more of the price. I am not knocking any more off. Already gone down since initial offer.
  • Orpheo
    Indemnity insurance at a cost of around £30. Cheapest and quickest way.

    waste of money to have someone come out to FENSA certify/ building control sign off.

    Also do a search of your house on the FENSA website as maybe you never were sent the cert. A new one will cost £12.

    This really shouldnt be holding up an exchange.
    Originally posted by Bananamana
    Bananamana is right. This is usually satisfied by an indemnity insurance policy. If the buyers want more than this then IMHO they are being a bit fussy, but they are entitled to ask for whatever gives them peace of mind.
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    • vet8
    • By vet8 16th Aug 10, 7:51 PM
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    We are completing on Friday and my OH managed to break a pane of glass in the back door as he was moving furniture. I plan to get a new pane tomorrow and reglaze it. It is an external single glazed door. I am only doing it as it was broken after exchange so I think we have to leave the house as it was then. Am I allowed to reglaze this or is there some new rule about FENSA certficates on back doors?

    Thanks.
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 7:57 PM
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    Wouldn't think a single pane of glass would require a FENSA certificate - it only applies to replacement windows ie full windows not individual panes.
    • Catbells
    • By Catbells 16th Aug 10, 7:59 PM
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    Bananamana is right. This is usually satisfied by an indemnity insurance policy. If the buyers want more than this then IMHO they are being a bit fussy, but they are entitled to ask for whatever gives them peace of mind.
    Originally posted by Orpheo
    Is the indemnity only a one off payment of £30 or so?

    Would the same apply to a building regulations certificate comprising of 3 points needing correcting including fire resistant material costing £500 being put up around a wooden beam?If so I could save myself a lot of money. I've got a builder coming on Wed to do this.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 16th Aug 10, 8:00 PM
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    Whose house is it anyways?!
    Originally posted by Catbells
    Yours - and it'll stay yours unless you keep jumping through the hoops.
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