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    Colliewobble
    CCTV drain survey?
    • #1
    • 2nd Nov 09, 6:24 PM
    CCTV drain survey? 2nd Nov 09 at 6:24 PM
    Hi all,

    You've been more than helpful in the past advising me on my recent housebuyers report. This is my first housebuying experience and I'm very 'green'.

    Just wondering if any of you can help me with the last 'sticking point'.

    Survey said drains were slightly higher than usual - but that this could be down to the age of the house and recommended I get a CCTV survey of drains to be on the safe side.

    Just after your thoughts on whether this is just a 'standard thing' or whether it should be looked into.

    Nobody I have spoken to has ever had a drain survey when buying a house and the EAs have said they've never known a problem in the area.:confused:

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

    Many thanks,

    C
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    • 27col
    • By 27col 2nd Nov 09, 7:43 PM
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    27col
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 7:43 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 7:43 PM
    It seems a bit vague. What the hell are they talking about. What does "slightly higher than usual" mean. Most of these homebuyers reports are just trying to justify themselves.
    They seem to have a degree in stating the bl*****g obvious. Although in this case, it is not obvious. If the drains are working ok, that surely, is all you can expect. If a drain is working, why would you want pay extra for a cctv check as well. Perhaps you should ask the surveyor person.
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    • ukmaggie45
    • By ukmaggie45 2nd Nov 09, 8:21 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 8:21 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 8:21 PM
    We had a drain survey as advised by our surveyor (due to large number of trees on the site), it found roots growing into the drain. Would have meant digging up the patio and spending around 1000 to get fixed. We withdrew our offer (there were other concerns as well, but the drains was the last straw). Vendor had said there were no problems with the drains, and so far as they were aware it probably appeared that way. But would only have been a matter of time before there really were problems.

    Good luck with finding someone to do the survey should you decide to go for it.

    Maggie

    Edit: is it an old house? Just wondered since your surveyor said it might be due to the age of the house. And I wouldn't necessarily expect the EA to know if there was a problem in the area, especially since most folks don't get CCTV tests done.
    Last edited by ukmaggie45; 02-11-2009 at 8:24 PM.
  • Colliewobble
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 10:18 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 09, 10:18 PM
    Hi

    Thanks for your replies.

    The actual report says that the inspection chamber was observed to have 'matter' (yuk!!) and standing water at time of inspection.

    It adds that this could be due to the shallower falls to which drainage systems were laid at time of build (1930s) or could be blockage....:confused:

    There are no big trees on or around the site, thoguh there are trees in neighbouring gardens.

    Thanks again.
    • Baalmaiden
    • By Baalmaiden 16th Nov 09, 8:36 PM
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    • 16th Nov 09, 8:36 PM
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    • 16th Nov 09, 8:36 PM
    We had problems with our drains overflowing and had a camera put down by the local council - it was quite interesting watching it on the computer screen! It found that kids had been putting stuff down the storm drains and blocking the 6 inch pipe. As we were the lowest point, we had the overflow. A warning letter to all the houses on the estate from the council solved the problem. You might just need it clearing by the chaps with the bright orange vans!
  • key_mel
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    • 7th Jan 10, 10:51 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 10:51 AM
    Speaking of drains, the buyers of my property have just had a homebuyers survey done on my property and the only concern raised is about the drainage. The surveyor advised that they should have a specialist drainage contractor report on the drains condition. Who would be expected to pay for this extra survey, the estate agents suggest I should as seller? Any ideas?
  • ormus
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    • 7th Jan 10, 11:43 AM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 11:43 AM
    tell them to pay, and you will reimburse any expense incurred when the contracts are exchanged. (up to say a 500 limit).
    Get some gorm.
    • keystone
    • By keystone 7th Jan 10, 12:00 PM
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    keystone
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    • 7th Jan 10, 12:00 PM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 12:00 PM
    More surveyors applying the CYA principle!! From the first post I get the impression that the surveyor is suggesting to the potential purchaser that they arrange for a survey not that the vendor gets a survey done. The EA is talking nonsense IMHO - he just wants to collect his commission asap. The purchaser has paid for a housebuyers report why should you pick up the tab for its recommends? Either they want to go ahead or not.

    Ormus' suggestion has merit if you are desperate to sell.

    Cheers
    • Debt_Free_Chick
    • By Debt_Free_Chick 7th Jan 10, 12:01 PM
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    Debt_Free_Chick
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    • 7th Jan 10, 12:01 PM
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    • 7th Jan 10, 12:01 PM
    Hi

    Thanks for your replies.

    The actual report says that the inspection chamber was observed to have 'matter' (yuk!!) and standing water at time of inspection.

    It adds that this could be due to the shallower falls to which drainage systems were laid at time of build (1930s) or could be blockage....:confused:

    There are no big trees on or around the site, thoguh there are trees in neighbouring gardens.
    Originally posted by Colliewobble
    OK - it sounds as though the drain is "backing up" i.e. that the outflow is not draining away. That could be for a number of reasons, but a blockage is the usual answer. If the blockage is in within the property you're buying, then you're "buying" that problem from the seller. So a survey would give you peace of mind - either that the blockage is not on the property you're buying or that it is and you then have a chance to negotiate a remedy with the seller.

    it's your choice. If you don't get a survey, then you could inherit an expensive drain repair. And your insurance may not cover it, especially if you ignored advice to get a survey.
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    • keystone
    • By keystone 7th Jan 10, 12:07 PM
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    keystone
    OK - it sounds as though the drain is "backing up" i.e. that the outflow is not draining away.

    snip, snip, snip

    And your insurance may not cover it, especially if you ignored advice to get a survey.
    Originally posted by Debt_Free_Chick
    DFC has just amply and innocently illustrated the dangers of resurrecting an old thread to introduce a similar but different subject.

    Cheers
    • Debt_Free_Chick
    • By Debt_Free_Chick 7th Jan 10, 12:13 PM
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    Debt_Free_Chick
    Note to self: Read the thread, the whole thread and nothing but the whole thread

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  • key_mel
    More surveyors applying the CYA principle!! From the first post I get the impression that the surveyor is suggesting to the potential purchaser that they arrange for a survey not that the vendor gets a survey done. The EA is talking nonsense IMHO - he just wants to collect his commission asap. The purchaser has paid for a housebuyers report why should you pick up the tab for its recommends? Either they want to go ahead or not.
    Originally posted by keystone
    Thanks Keystone, that's right, the surveyor clearly says "you (the buyer) are advised to instruct ..." a drainage company to prepare a report. The EA has put the ball back in my court and has provided me with contact details for a drainage company. Not sure why it's back with me though, I too would think it's the purchaser's responsibility to arrange the survey for their own peace of mind.
    • andrew-b
    • By andrew-b 7th Jan 10, 2:50 PM
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    andrew-b
    It would usually be the buyer that foots the bill for a drain test/inspection. From the buyer's point of view that's best anyway as they know the report will be unbiased and true!

    A full structural survey sometimes will include a basic drain test (or at least my Dad used to include them as part of a structural survey - he may have charged his clients extra though am not too sure) - pretty simple (but often nasty!) to test TBH if you have the equipment (basically plugging the drain, running a tap and observing the flow of water - can also be done with air though).

    A survey will pretty much always recommend a drains survey which indeed does cover the back of the surveyor. However if a potential problem is noted it's advisable to follow their recommendation and seek further tests/reports .

    Unfortunately there's an increasing culture of "i bought a house..this this and this was wrong but the surveyor didn't spot it..can i sue them?"..it is this culture that surveyors try to protect themselves through disclaimers! It's also this that is responsible for the rising cost of indemnity insurance for surveyors to carry out their job. FWIW, my father was never sued despite the thousands of surveys he carried out..mainly because he did a thorough survey..not because he covered his back with the necessary disclaimers!

    At the end of the day it's always a case of Caveat Emptor.

    For the benefit of the OP and others.....buyers should NEVER trust the opinion of an estate agent as they are acting on behalf of the vendor to sell the property and want their commission for selling the property!
    • mchale
    • By mchale 7th Jan 10, 7:45 PM
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    mchale
    Sorry, but if the is standing water in the drains, I think you will be wasting your money putting a camera down as all the camera will see is "water"
    • keystone
    • By keystone 7th Jan 10, 11:04 PM
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    keystone
    Sorry, but if the is standing water in the drains, I think you will be wasting your money putting a camera down as all the camera will see is "water"
    Originally posted by mchale
    See you've done it now. Refer to post No10 please. Rinse and repeat.

    Cheers
    • keystone
    • By keystone 7th Jan 10, 11:07 PM
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    keystone
    Thanks Keystone, that's right, the surveyor clearly says "you (the buyer) are advised to instruct ..." a drainage company to prepare a report. The EA has put the ball back in my court and has provided me with contact details for a drainage company. Not sure why it's back with me though, I too would think it's the purchaser's responsibility to arrange the survey for their own peace of mind.
    Originally posted by key_mel
    So what reason has the surveyor given for making this suggestion? He must have had one unless he is being a total wimp and covered his backside all the way through the report in which case its totally useless and the Purchaser has wasted their money having it done.

    Ask the EA what they think they are playing at.

    Cheers
    • keystone
    • By keystone 7th Jan 10, 11:09 PM
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    keystone
    How old is the property by the way and do you share your foul water drainage with a neighbouring property?

    Cheers
  • key_mel
    20+ and so no shared drainage. Surveyor said to investigate possible previous and current blockages. Never had any problems so put it back to the EA. :confused: Ta.
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