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    • scotsbob
    • By scotsbob 1st Sep 09, 7:56 PM
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    Nothing, tipping is outdated.
  • boopydoo
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    I don't think you can have a standard rate- you have to think about each individual restaurant and the service you received.

    Better service, better tip
    • nathanhill69
    • By nathanhill69 1st Sep 09, 11:19 PM
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    Nothing, tipping is outdated.
    Originally posted by scotsbob
    Tell that to the waiting staff who are on minimum wage and rely on tips to bring their wages up to a more reasonable level.

    In answer to the dilemma - I always base my tip on the cost of the bill prior to the discount being applied. The discount is an incentive organised by the management of the restaurant to entice customers in and therefore that discounted cost is between you the restaurants management. The waiting staff have done no less work and if the service was good then they shouldn't be personally penalised due to this promotion. Also, for heaven sakes, you've just had a discounted meal so show a little generosity - the meal was still cheaper than it should have been even with a proper tip - there's money saving and there's being a miserable skin flint.


    Better service, better tip
    Originally posted by boopydoo
    I'd agree with that sentiment.
    Last edited by nathanhill69; 01-09-2009 at 11:22 PM.
    • jsknight100
    • By jsknight100 1st Sep 09, 11:21 PM
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    Tipping
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    • 1st Sep 09, 11:21 PM
    Nothing I think that tipping is deeming both to the giver & the recipient. Everybody should be in-titled to a fair days pay without relying on tips! I have never understood why we are expected to tip hairdressers, taxis & waiters why them & not doctors or gardeners or bus drivers?
  • barnaby-bear
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    • 1st Sep 09, 11:33 PM
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    Tell that to the waiting staff who are on minimum wage and rely on tips to bring their wages up to a more reasonable level.
    Originally posted by nathanhill69
    Should I tip the min. wage staff in the pub? In poundland? The clarks shoe girl? My kid's nursery assistant? The bus driver? The carer who wipes my great uncle's bum?
    Actually loads of them have a less pleasant work environment than a restaurant.

    I do tip in restaurants if it's presentable, friendly service but now I'm thinking - should I?
    • hullight
    • By hullight 1st Sep 09, 11:34 PM
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    • 1st Sep 09, 11:34 PM
    As is said in Reservoir Dogs - why do people feel the need to tip a server in, say, Pizza Express but not in McDonalds?

    (us McDonalds staff aren't actually allowed to receive tips, and we probably earn less than most people in positions deemed tip-worthy)
    • nathanhill69
    • By nathanhill69 1st Sep 09, 11:51 PM
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    Should I tip the min. wage staff in the pub? In poundland? The clarks shoe girl? My kid's nursery assistant? The bus driver? The carer who wipes my great uncle's bum?
    Actually loads of them have a less pleasant work environment than a restaurant.
    Originally posted by barnaby-bear
    It's a fair point you have. However tipping restaurant waiting staff is just the norm and until such time that this system is universally blown out of the water, say with an obligatory service charge added onto your bill, then it would seem churlish to rage a one man campaign in denying the waiting staff their tip. I don't tip automatically but if throughout a meal I've been well looked after by the waiting staff then, I feel, a tip is a fair addition to the cost of an evening / lunchtime out.
    • little acorn
    • By little acorn 1st Sep 09, 11:52 PM
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    If the meal and service was really good they should ask if staff actually get the tip, and if they do, then give 15% on the discounted bill in cash.
    • nathanhill69
    • By nathanhill69 1st Sep 09, 11:56 PM
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    If the meal and service was really good they should ask if staff actually get the tip, and if they do, then give 15% on the discounted bill in cash.
    Originally posted by little acorn
    I always ask this question and generally make a point of tipping in cash unless I've been caught short on having real money in my pocket.
  • goldcd
    Everybody should be in-titled to a fair days pay without relying on tips! I have never understood why we are expected to tip hairdressers, taxis & waiters why them & not doctors or gardeners or bus drivers?
    Originally posted by jsknight100
    Because part of their salary is expected to come from tips - that's the simple reason.
    They accepted a lower salary, and you therefore paid a smaller bill, in the hope that you'd leave a tip. If there were no tips, then I'd assume many wait-staff would just take the best paid job they could. Got to be something to be said for taking a lower wage and hoping you do a job well enough to be recognized for your effort.
    Actually loads of jobs have some sort of performance related element - it's just normally it comes from the employer, rather than the customer. Your GP gets a many bonuses for meeting all kinds of targets.
  • gemenar
    I say just over 10% of the bill total (post discount), unless the service is great, in which case I'd pay more.
    • WhyIsSavingSoHard
    • By WhyIsSavingSoHard 2nd Sep 09, 2:31 AM
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    I went to Pizza Hut last week, paid full price (hangs head in shame) and didn't tip. For one, we had 2 different waitresses due to shift changes. Chances are that the girl who took and sorted our order when there was a problem wouldn't have got any, but the girl who just took our money would keep it. Secondly there was a problem with my order in that they had to re-cook my pizza as it was wrong even though it was all confirmed with me and simple ~ hold off the olives please. Because of this last point, they rolled the dough so thin it burnt in the middle and was over crispy.

    I totally agree that we don't tip others that are on minimum wage, so why pick and choose? It's about time the government woke up and helped all workers to receive a wage they could actually live on and stop relying on the customer to bump up the measly minimum that no-one can have a life on. I can't afford to eat out (even with offers) and tip too. Does that mean I should have to stay at home?!
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    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 2nd Sep 09, 7:23 AM
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    Tip shouldn't be related to the bill - as other posters have said its for service - I've tipped 5 in a restaurant for a 20 bill when the waiter/waitress has been very attentive; equally I haven't left any tip in an "upmarket" bistro where the food/service was indifferent but the bill came to 80 for two.
    • stureid
    • By stureid 2nd Sep 09, 8:11 AM
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    If the service was good then I tip no less than 10% on the full price. As others have said, the staff take a low wage in the hope of making up the money on tips, which they receive on merit (apart from when they draw the short straw and get a tight customer).

    As for the comment regarding the lack of tipping in McDonalds, I'm afraid that doesn't qualify as a restaurant. It's a food Argos.
  • RubiconCSL
    A few thoughts and responses to previous posts....

    I'm really surprised some peope think no tip at all is correct - but then it takes all sorts I suppose. If restaurants simply increased their prices to basically include the tip, then a) waiters would have no incentive to do a good job b) I would have no way of indicating my satisfaction or not of their service c) I'd effectively have to tip even for poor service (mush as one does with that rediculous automatic adding of 10% to the bill) d) they'd earn less, as it would all be taxed (most tips I believe aren't taxed).

    I don't tip at Maccy D's, because they don't provide waiter/waitress service; I have to queue for it. Therefore, all I am paying for is the food.

    Taxis are a difficult one. I once worked as a taxi driver, but not using my own car. 12 hour night shift every day. I had to fill the car up with petrol at the end of the shift and split all fares 50/50 with the car owner. Needless to say, I didn't earn much doing that job and for me, tips were hugely appreciated.

    My son works in Pizza Hut and I find it quite amazing how tight many people are. He often works a 10 to 12 hour shift with hardly any break. He is always polite and from what I've seen, gives good service. He's 17 and on minimum wage, so the tips make a huge difference - not only to the money he brings home, but to how good he feels. A good day with tips and he feels better about himself I think i.e. I must have done a really good job today. I always look to tip between 10-15%, depending on the service; although bad sevice could mean no tip at all - but then that is the whole point. On one ocassion, my son had a group of 12 people and they all chipped in with a mighty 11 pence tip - so one of them didn't even tip 1p!

    I think maybe the Indian idea of tipping before you get service is even better. Bad or no tip and you know what you'll get!

    We are notoriously bad tippers throughout the world. A friend of mine moved to the states many years ago and his first job was in a fast food resuarant as a waiter. Whenever a British family came in, no-one wanted to serve them and it was a battle of wits between the waiting staff to see who gave in first.

    Oh yes, the question - I think tip based on the full price. If on the discounted price, then be generous and look more towards the 15%.

    Finally, I like an idea the Americans use when tipping. If you've had particularly good service, they add a penny to the tip e.g instead of leaving $5, they leave $5 and one cent. That way, the waiter knows you've really appreciated his service.

    If the service was good then I tip no less than 10% on the full price. As others have said, the staff take a low wage in the hope of making up the money on tips, which they receive on merit (apart from when they draw the short straw and get a tight customer).

    As for the comment regarding the lack of tipping in McDonalds, I'm afraid that doesn't qualify as a restaurant. It's a food Argos.
    Originally posted by stureid
  • bennett2kuk
    No tipper
    I absolutely detest the idea of tipping. I don't care if they earn very little, they should be pushing themselves in a job that pays more. I don't want to earn minimum wage so I go out and bust a hump in my chosen profession. I suggest they do the same.

    We already pay taxes to support those doley "jobseekers" why the hell should we feel pressured into supporting people who don't earn as much as they would like. It's like benefits for those who lack ambition and drive.

    If anything I might leave a 1 or so, but I very very rarely carry cash, and always decline the automatic tip system in places like TGI Fridays. And if anything goes wrong like a wrong meal, spillage, delay, anything like that then I don't tip. Why should I when I'm not fully happy with the service.

    Tipping is disgusting and I refuse point blank to take part.
  • gomeraman
    Embarrassment tax
    Tipping is an embarrassment tax. It relies on you feeling uncomfortable. When you wish to thank the staff for good service then please do so with well-meant words and a smile rather than with dane-gelt. Tipping is demeaning for both parties. If we perpetuate this outdated custom of tipping then we ensure staff stay on subsistence wages rather than being paid a fair wage in the first place. The price you see on a menu should be what you pay.
  • weiran
    I agree we should be done with tipping and the restaurants should be made to pay fair wages to their staff. It's not that bad in this country where we have a proper minimum wage, I hear in the US waitors/waitresses are sometimes paid below minimum wage as it's made up in tips!

    Personally, I tip based on performance. If it was very good service, I'll give 15% of the pre-discount bill. If it was average or below par (as unfortunately I usually find now with restaurants that offer 2for1 deals), I'll give 10% after discount.

    Another thing that bugs me, is a percentage of all the tips going to the management hidden in the small print somewhere. I've been to a restaurant before where the waitor said the automatic 10% gratuity on the bill went straight into the managers pockets. Needless to say I don't eat there anymore.
    • Flickering Ember
    • By Flickering Ember 2nd Sep 09, 9:35 AM
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    Tell that to the waiting staff who are on minimum wage and rely on tips to bring their wages up to a more reasonable level.
    Originally posted by nathanhill69
    Hmmm, well I've worked as a security guard on minimum wage, been bottled in the face and when I'm doing my job right, I get physical and verbal abuse.

    Sorry, but I don't believe in tipping at all. I should add that I do hospitality bar work, and yes, accept tips if given, as a lot of people give them, but wouldn't expect or ask for them and don't feel deserving as such. When you take a job, you know what the wages are and there are a lot of worse jobs you could be doing for minimum wage.

    I genuinely love a "Thank you" and a smile, and am happy to get that, and it's what I give as my way of tipping...
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