Full and final settlement help thread

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  • Hello, Am looking for some advice for F&F settlements.
    I got into horrendous debt 12 years ago and battled the minimum payments for a couple of years before 10 years I finally accepted I couldn't cope and contacted Stepchange.

    My debt at the time was £108,000 and after 10 years of a DMP it is just under £51k. I rent a council flat, ditched the car, holidays, etc and budget shop and haven't had credit since.

    I earn £1350 a month and after everything is paid I have £475 to pay in my DMP. This means my expected debt free date is 2024.
    I have no assets and could have taken the easy way out and went bankrupt but it was my mistake to get into debt so I do want to pay back what I owe.

    I eventually came clean to a family member a few years ago and they have been surprisingly good about it all. They encouraged me to see if I could reduce my debts or claim PPI.
    I spent most of 2014 claiming PPI and now with added money from family i have £25,000 to offer as F&F settlements

    In April I will be updating my budget statement. Circumstances the same so payment will probably be the same. However 2 months dmp payment will reduce my overall debt to 50k meaning I can offer a maximum of 50%

    My debts are listed below.
    I have rounded up the Debt to nearest Hundred
    and rounded up DMP payment to nearest £1
    Also I have listed the amount of months it would take to pay that creditor off. Obviously those time scales would change over the years as amount increased due to other creditors being paid off but below is how it stands today.

    I have coloured red the creditors that were not the original so whether they have bought the debt or are maybe a collections dept under a different name I have highlighted this.


    Creditor.................Debt.............DMP.............Months

    Lloyds Bank.............13.8 k........£104............133
    Barclays Bank............9.7 k..........£83............118
    Marlin........................8.5 k..........£84............101
    Idem.........................7.5 k...........£43...........177

    Barclaycard................5.3 k...........£59.............91
    Link...........................2.9 k...........£34.............86
    Blair Oliver & Scott.....2.4 k...........£25.............96

    Beneficial..................£688............£44.............16

    Total Debt.................£51k..........£475............107




    What I would like to know is the following please...

    a) Has anyone (especially on a long term DMP) had experience of F&F settlements ?

    b) Would people advise me to go through the process with Stepchange or go it alone to try and start lower ?

    c) What sort of % would you offer first and do people have experience of the above creditors accepting reduced amounts ?

    d) If they refused would I be able to keep the money and retry in a couple of years time when debt had reduced and lump sum equalled a greater % ?

    e) how would I go about making payments. Would it better coming from family member as a 3rd party. Would it be allowed for me to transfer my share of offer to family to allow them to write the final cheques or is that illegal / unethical ?

    f) how long would the whole process take. Am i talking months or years ?

    g) is there anything else I have missed or need to know ?


    All comments and advice appreciated.
    This time last year I was looking at another 10 years of a 20 year DMP. Now even if everyone says NO i will only have a maximum of 5 years to go. Hopefully I can get some offers accepted and reduce my debt but if I have to wait and see the DMP out then so be it.

    Thank you for reading.
    31st December 2004 - Debt was £128,596.72
    1st October 2016 - Debt Free
    12 years of Stepchange + PPI +F&F
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4862915
  • fatbelly
    fatbelly Posts: 20,455 Forumite
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    If you search around, you'll find some examples of settlement figures. The founder of this thread managed to settle with Link for 55% but that was nearly 10 years ago!

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=1148346#post1148346

    I would say do it yourself, start at 25%, make it clear that the money is coming from a family member and yes, if you can't agree on a figure, walk away and try again later.

    This will probably be a long process to clear everyone but should be do-able with the sum that you have.

    There is a template on the National Debtline site (which also answers the previous poster):

    https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/factsheets/Pages/24%20EW%20Full%20and%20final%20settlement%20offers/Page-04.aspx
  • Will start the ball rolling in March after I have updated budget statement with Stepchange. Have to wait until then as don't know how much yet council will increase rent and poll tax yet.
    Or whether I get a 0.5 % payrise or told not this year !!

    If I offer 25% to each of my 8 creditors and I get a a few refusals but someone comes back and says they will accept 40% am I allowed to do that or do I have first go back to the refusals and wait until they mull over 30% and 35% and then 40% subsequently as I have to try and treat all creditors fairly ?
    31st December 2004 - Debt was £128,596.72
    1st October 2016 - Debt Free
    12 years of Stepchange + PPI +F&F
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4862915
  • fatbelly
    fatbelly Posts: 20,455 Forumite
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    You're not planning to go bankrupt so you're under no obligation to treat everyone equally - it's down to individual negotiation once the process gets under way
  • 852318
    852318 Posts: 28 Forumite
    Hi All,

    I want some clarity on full and final settlements. I had a lot of financial issues in the past and Payplan look after my creditors. I had several defaulted accounts that have now fallen off my files. However 2 of these accounts never had defaults registered against them annoyingly so remain open. I am desperately trying to tidy my file up. I have offered full and final settlements and had a reply from Cabot (who purchased one of my non defaulted debts) I have been sending emails back and forth but cannot get them to agree to mark my account as satisfied or settled in full as below.


    Where your account is reported to theCredit Reference Agencies and a discount has been applied, we will update yourrecord as ‘Partially Settled’ with a ‘nil’ balance outstanding. This willindicate the account has been cleared but with a lesser amount

    than the balance owed. Where the fullbalance is paid, the record will be updated as ‘Satisfied’, indicating that thefull balance has been cleared.



    We are unable to update your credit fileas settled in full unless the account is settled in full or delete our entryfrom your credit file.

    Now I have a couple of questions, will they come around? Has anybody had any success in getting them to take adverse data off after a full and final settlement? And also can you get a backdated default, as this account should have been defaulted years ago by the original creditor Barclaycard?

    Any help appreciated
  • Tixy
    Tixy Posts: 31,455 Forumite
    852318 wrote: »
    Now I have a couple of questions, will they come around? Has anybody had any success in getting them to take adverse data off after a full and final settlement? And also can you get a backdated default, as this account should have been defaulted years ago by the original creditor Barclaycard?
    Any help appreciated

    Barclaycard are a pain for not entering a default when they should.
    However if the debt has been passed on to a debt collection agency then there is really no argument for a default not having being registered by that date at the very latest.

    So you may want to pursue working on getting the default changed before you continue with the F&F settlement to them.

    In terms of marking the debt as partially or fully paid, some people do manage to get debt collectors to alter their stance and show a reduced F&F as though settled in full, but in other cases they will continue to refuse.
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  • 852318
    852318 Posts: 28 Forumite
    Thanks Tixy

    Yes it is a pain! I also Have one with Marlin, that was NRAM. Same story no default despite being in arrears since 2007 and on an arrangement to pay.

    Yes it appears it is a flat refusal all round.

    Does a partially settled account impact your account greatly, I have read mixed opinions? I basically have £8k of bad debt that they are offering to settle at £3k and I do have access to the cash.

    So annoying as if the accounts had been defaulted when they should have been they would just about be off by now. I don't wish to run away from the debt, I pay Payplan £300 a month and have done since 2007 but I would like it off my file so I have at least a chance of a mortgage in the nearish future.
  • 852318
    852318 Posts: 28 Forumite
    Also how would I go about getting the file changed? I am worried they may default me from today's date rather than when it should have been defaulted?
  • Tixy
    Tixy Posts: 31,455 Forumite
    852318 wrote: »
    Does a partially settled account impact your account greatly, I have read mixed opinions?

    Depends on what you want to do (credit wise) in the next 6years.

    Its a pain because usually when people are looking to do F&Fs they have defaults from 4+ years ago and so the partial settlement only shows on file for a couple of years.

    Obviously without defaults they are going to be on file for 6years from when you settle, and may well still have an impact on future borrowing in a few years, especially things like a mortgage.
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  • Tixy
    Tixy Posts: 31,455 Forumite
    852318 wrote: »
    Also how would I go about getting the file changed? I am worried they may default me from today's date rather than when it should have been defaulted?

    People have had success with writing to the reporting entity, to point out that the default is inaccurate, unfair and not in accordance with the ICO guidance on filing defaults that was in place at the time and that in accordance with that guidance the default should have been registered no later than Xdate (probably 6months from when you entered the DMP)

    That guidance is here in post #2 - ICO/SCOR - Principles for the Reporting of Arrears, Arrangements and Defaults
    and probably the most relevant section would be 21 (which states AP are temporary short term, and also that a customer shoule not be placed in a worse position than someone who has made no effort to pay whatsoever - which you obviously have been).
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