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    • MSE Andrea
    • By MSE Andrea 1st May 14, 3:25 PM
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    Posting on the Parking Board your help please
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    • 1st May 14, 3:25 PM
    Posting on the Parking Board your help please 1st May 14 at 3:25 PM
    MSE Update November 2017

    Hi everyone

    Please could all forumites using this board re-read our original post below.

    Thank you!

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    Please read our Don't Pay Unfair Parking Tickets News story for MSE's stance.

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    Hi everyone,

    As you’ll be aware this board was set up for users to find factual information about parking tickets fines, whether they are enforceable or not, and the appeals and actions process.

    What it was not set up to do was to pursue any one individual or company to the extent that some users on here have, again, despite our previous requests not to.

    You might think it's your "right" and that we should back you fully, but we are governed by the law of the land and our Rules and T&Cs make it pretty clear that posting names and personal details, and making personal comments about others is simply not allowed.

    In recent months, we have again had to deal with complaints about this board. Here at MSE we fight your corner as a consumer and we believe much of the private parking industry is a Wild West full of many cowboys ripping off honest motorists, as we’ve seen and heard too many stories to suggest otherwise (and some staff here have been on the end of unscrupulous tactics). However, some firms do also act fairly.

    The problem we face is when people make allegations without evidence against a specific company, calling them “scammers” or “criminals”. Without evidence, this becomes a legal problem and we may have to remove threads and posts to protect the site. We prefer to keep our resources focused on fighting hard for you to fight unfair tickets and keeping that debate unabashed than having to deal with a legal sideshow about ‘is the name-calling fair?’ – so please help us help you by moderating the language not to accuse of illegality.

    We are a small team managing over 150 Forum boards, all requiring resource. So we cannot investigate every complaint to gather the required evidence, sadly. We’d love to do just that to fight your corner even further but it is not always possible.

    We can support your factual comments, we can’t support personal remarks about others

    We can only support factual comment that operates within our Rules and T&Cs. Personal, antagonistic arguments against individuals break these and we cannot defend it. If you keep things non-personal, on topic, factual, can prove everything you say and work within these rules and T&Cs, we will always do our best to defend your comment, as we do everywhere. If not we shall have to speak with you and if it continues, may have to remove a poster’s posting privileges.

    We hope this comes across in the manner it is intended. Please help us to help you, by working with us to defend your comments.

    Thank you

    MSE Forum Team
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 29-11-2017 at 12:30 PM.
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  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 1st May 14, 3:37 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:37 PM
    Andrea answer this question then please:

    What pressure has Parking Eye put on you?, have their solicitors sent a letter to you.....

    I would be interested to know why MSE bows down so easily to the likes of Parking Eye and others

    ok certain words should not be used, however the is nothing wrong with using the word rip of when referring to parking companies, because this is quite simply true.

    Why are parking companies not brave enough to register on here and post under their own companies names?

    Perhaps Andrea you could actually give us a full break down of the issues that the parking companies have given you.

    Obviously Parking eye spend the whole trawling this and other forums. Anyone wonder if it is part of their GPEOL calculation?
    Last edited by kirkbyinfurnesslad; 01-05-2014 at 3:40 PM.
    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 1st May 14, 3:42 PM
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    • #3
    • 1st May 14, 3:42 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:42 PM
    Another thread where the folks at MSE are accusing people of doing stuff enmasse, if someone breaks the rules then surely you should be taking it up with the individual poster, not accusing everyone of doing it!

    And if this complaint comes from an individual company then post which company this is, if its coming from many sources then name them. I for one will not be altering the way I post. I give information out that is factual and to the point.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member
    • hoohoo
    • By hoohoo 1st May 14, 3:47 PM
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    • #4
    • 1st May 14, 3:47 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:47 PM
    As Andrea posted to here and two parkingeye threads, I guess it wa parkingeye. One thread was a year old, which is a bit weird.

    Can't really tell what the actual naughty posts were though
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 1st May 14, 3:48 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:48 PM
    Why would someone be scared of a Hill Dickinson letter?
  • BenefitMaster
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    • 1st May 14, 3:49 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:49 PM
    As a legally trained person dealing with threats against a famous blogger from a large Parking company, I would respectfully point out that their threats are based on lies, bluff and bluster.

    They have been threatening to sue for 6 months...
    • bargepole
    • By bargepole 1st May 14, 3:55 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:55 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 3:55 PM
    Suggested response from MSE to Hill Dickinson:

    Dear Sirs,

    We are in receipt of your letter dated xx/xx/xx.

    We are also aware of your predeliction for making utterly baseless threats on behalf of clients who operate on the fringes of legality.

    Kindly inform your client that, on this occasion, our answer is the same as that given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

    Yours faithfully,

    MSE.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 35, lost 10), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and am a Graduate member of CILEx, studying towards a Fellowship (equivalent to solicitor) in Civil Litigation. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
    • SevenTowers
    • By SevenTowers 1st May 14, 4:08 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 4:08 PM
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    If any individual, or limited company continues to send out speculative invoices to unwary members of the public, in the full knowledge that its own industry appeals body has, time and time again, ruled that such invoices are invalid, and the individual or company relies on the ignorance and fear of the large number of people who are not aware of such rulings, to pay these invalid invoices, such an action can only be described as a scam.
    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797).
    • zzzLazyDaisy
    • By zzzLazyDaisy 1st May 14, 4:15 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 4:15 PM
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    • 1st May 14, 4:15 PM

    What it was not set up to do was to pursue any one individual or company to the extent that some users on here have, again, despite our previous requests not to.
    Originally posted by MSE Andrea
    Given that PE are the most prolific litigators, issuing more small claims than all the other PPCs put together, it is hardly surprising that there is a greater focus on assisting posters who are on the wrong end of LBC's and County Court Claims. It is a simple issue of statistics.

    I suspect that their ire is more to do with the fact that defendants are having increasing success in resisting court claims with the assistance of the regulars on here (on and off forum). Including having the claims referred back to POPLA (for which PE no longer even produce evidence, as they are fully aware that POPLA will rule against them), and also successfully obtaining awards of costs in favour of the winning defendants.
    I'm a retired employment solicitor. Hopefully some of my comments might be useful, but they are only my opinion and not intended as legal advice.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st May 14, 4:47 PM
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    Not sure why MSE are bothered about a threatogram from PE & their hired helps - didn't the Defamation laws recently change to make bloggers and forum guru's {PPC World's own unnecessary apostrophe included} responsible for their own posts online?

    Also I have hardly ever seen PE described recently as a 'scam' 'rip-off' or 'cowboys' on here, we don't bother because they are soooo easy to beat at POPLA and perfectly possible to beat in small claims as well. They aren't really worthy of bothering to slag them off, they do a good enough job themselves by issuing charges that are not a genuine pre-estimate of any loss and then throwing the toys out the pram when POPLA make them lose every time.

    Finally a reminder that the word 'cowboys' about this 'industry' was coined by Martin Lewis in 2009 and it's in an article here and in the National Press.

    What would be great is if all courts referred PE claims back to POPLA, as a first step every time!
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 01-05-2014 at 4:53 PM.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 1st May 14, 4:50 PM
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    I will bet they try and get prolific posters banned next.
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 1st May 14, 4:52 PM
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    Finally a reminder that the word 'cowboys' about this 'industry' was coined by Martin Lewis in 2009 and it's in an article here and in the National Press.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Yet more irony!


    (Yes. We appreciate that ML is only a figurehead now and doesn't have any real dealings now with MSE).
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st May 14, 4:54 PM
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    I will bet they try and get prolific posters banned next.
    Originally posted by waamo
    I am sure they have tried in the past.
  • BenefitMaster
    I am sure they have tried in the past.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I could quote something they have written to a court about me, if you want. All a lie, all provably so.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 1st May 14, 5:06 PM
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    There is still a transcript floating around of when I called someone "a crackpot wallet emptier".

    Judge said that was ok though,
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 1st May 14, 5:23 PM
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    Guys Dad
    So, when people constantly post names and use words like "scam", "cowboys", “rip-offs” etc. it becomes a legal problem and we may have to remove threads and posts to protect the site.

    And if I was a person who " wanted to stick two fingers up at the parking firms." would I be breaking the rules?

    So if I was to write :-
    "These supposed 'fines' are a Wild West measure. Whether the cowboys do it at supermarkets, retail parks, hospitals or housing estates, they're often unenforceable."
    I would be using inappropriate words, according to the opening post.

    The bits in italics have, of course, been lifted from MSE's own current (Feb 14) article on fighting parking tickets.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Perhaps Andrea could do a questim and answer session....
    • Glacier
    • By Glacier 1st May 14, 6:04 PM
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    It is the last throw of a dying wasp.
    • trubster
    • By trubster 1st May 14, 7:26 PM
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    Perhaps Andrea could do a questim and answer session....
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Posts like this appear and are never responded to. I wouldn't bother posting any questions here.
    • Hot Bring
    • By Hot Bring 1st May 14, 8:49 PM
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    An interesting contradiction MSE -

    "Its stance of putting consumers first is protected and enshrined in the legally-binding MSE Editorial Code."
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." - Dante Alighieri
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