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1st PCN charge

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  • If you go to Google Street View you can see a sign on the way in that refers to paying for parking. The sign is so low down it would be easy to miss as you have done.

    Take a screen pic of the entry to show the poor signage as they are likely to avoid showing that installation and may produce other pics that may not have been there at the time.

    They often do have this sort of "error"

    Thank you, I will do :)
  • also have contacted LCP Properties
  • Just seen the post about the dates - my date of contravention was 7th but the PCN is dated 19th and I received it on 23rd so does this make it over or is it 2 working days rather than including the Saturday?
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    It is CALENDAR days to receive.
    Issued 19th is deemed delivered on 23rd anyway, as it counts working days for delivery.
  • ok - worth a try
  • Just an update. M&S have said they can!!!8217;t help as it!!!8217;s a 3rd party - this was after I had written to ceo! The landowner just forwarded my email to the car park company so I!!!8217;ve lodged another appeal. If I get updates I will post here. Does anyone know how long the company takes to respond to the appeal?
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
    You didn't need another appeal.

    What have you said in your new appeal??

    The whole idea of following the advice in the Newbies FAQ thread on sending that template appeal is to ensure you don't shoot yourself by saying something incriminating and to ensure you get a popla code
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,404 Forumite
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    Smart Parking will cancel next month sometime, or will send you a POPLA code. Come back and tell us when they write to you and hopefully it will be cancellation, as they recognise the NEWBIES appeal wording.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top of this/any page where it says:
    Forum Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Ralph-y
    Ralph-y Posts: 4,563 Forumite
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    your next port of call is your MP .......


    please watch / read the below to see why ....


    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    and slightly longer, the committee stage

    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d5550515-cce9-4185-83ec-754dadb7524a

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

    and some quotes from the committe stage

    "The other area is hospital parking, and I want to single out one company for some pretty shady practices. That is ParkingEye"
    " is very clear to me that there is collusion between parking companies and solicitors’ firms—so-called roboclaims companies. "
    "They are often set up adjacently and involve the same directors and personnel. Incidentally, the same personnel get involved in the so-called appeals bodies."
    "Essentially, it is a money-making enterprise that takes advantage of motorists up and down the country. They operate in a very business-like fashion, which is why I call them roboclaims companies."
    "The companies are jamming up parts of our legal system."
    “I now pretty much know exactly how the parking companies and in particular the IPC have been running this scam for the past 5 years. Basically both of the appeals processes are a complete and utter sham, (and part of that sham is Gladstones Solicitors itself)”
    "The appeals process at Excel/VCS is run by a team of minimum wage office workers with no legal knowledge or experience whatsoever,"
    " It is claimed by the head of the appeals service (retired Judge Bryn Holloway) that this is a completely independent fair process, it is not”
    "The letter mentions two individuals—Will Hurley and Bryn Holloway—and concludes this is a typical example of the clear collusion between the IPC, their members and the IAS"
    "what we can do about roboclaims companies and solicitors firms that profit, often in shady ways"
    " the very large amounts of money that can be involved in such scams—a company called Smart Parking was involved in one such scam on my patch"
    "tightening up the rules regarding the unfair use of automatic number plate recognition" "BW Legal, regularly issues 10,000 county court judgments a month, and is known to have issued 28,000 in one month"
    "They are jamming up our court system, and are often totally unjustified."
    " because the lifeblood of trying to extort money from people is having access to their details."

    All from Parking (Code of Practice) Bill (First sitting) Hansard






    Ralph:cool:
  • Quentin wrote: »
    You didn't need another appeal.

    What have you said in your new appeal??

    The whole idea of following the advice in the Newbies FAQ thread on sending that template appeal is to ensure you don't shoot yourself by saying something incriminating and to ensure you get a popla code

    It was exactly the same as the first appeal. I didn’t change anything. I thought they were just playing on it so resent exactly the same appeal.
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