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  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
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    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    But that is only one person's opinion. I would rather believe what the law says.

    I would rather go on whether a car passes its MOT, if it does then they are hardly going to take the car apart to see if some obscure law has been broken, and who on earth will enforce this kind of law in any case?
    Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
    They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
    edited 22 January 2012 at 8:00PM
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    Here is what I was looking for. Those people who have absent, defective (and tampered for petrol) systems, have now been doing it illegally for exactly 22 days.
    COMMISSION DIRECTIVE 2010/48/EU of 5 July 2010 adapting to technical progress Directive 2009/40/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council on roadworthiness tests for motor vehicles and their trailers

    In the interests of road-safety, environmental protection and fair competition it is important to ensure that vehicles in operation are properly maintained and tested, in order to maintain their performance as guar­anteed by type-approval, without excessive degradation, throughout their life-time

    Article 2
    1. Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations
    and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this
    Directive by 31 December 2011 at the latest,

    4. MINIMUM INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS
    The inspection shall cover at least the items and use the minimum standards and methods listed below. Reasons for
    failure are examples of defects that may be detected.....

    8.2.1. Petrol engine emissions
    8.2.1.1. Exhaust emissions control
    equipment Visual inspection (a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer absent, modified or obviously defective.

    8.2.2. Diesel engine emissions
    8.2.2.1. Exhaust emission control equipment
    Visual inspection (a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer absent or obviously defective

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:173:0047:0072:EN:PDF
  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
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    cepheus wrote: »
    I don't why the UK couldn't adopt the same rules as have been in operation for decades elsewhere

    http://itep68.itep.nau.edu/itep_downloads/~GeneralAQInfo/Pollutants_Sources_Controls/Mobile%20Sources/DontTamper_EmissionControls.pdf

    Well they have plenty of other laws here that go beyond what else is in the world. And quoting what they do in the States who are one the biggest polluters in the world, and has the biggest gas guzzlers is a bit rich IMO
    Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
    They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
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    This is an older document. I guess VCA should get around dealing with organisations which remove exhaust control devices rather than just worrying if they fit them properly!
    VCA will be seeking to enforce the regulations by
    conducting market surveillance in various ways including:

    • Random visits to the premises of UK replacement
    catalytic converter and diesel particulate
    filters manufacturers and distributors
    • Random visits to various points of sale or
    exhaust fitting centres to ensure correct
    installation of approved units are carried out
    • Attendance at appropriate Trade Shows
    • The monitoring of trade publications and the Internet
    • Dealing with specific complaints and spot checks

    test on products at approved laboratories

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/additional/files/enforcement-and-research-activities/replacement-cat/replacement-cat-regulations.pdf
  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
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    Air quality: A follow up report Ninth Report of Session 2010–12

    Summary

    In 2010 our predecessor Environmental Audit Committee reported on Air Quality. It
    found that poor air quality is shortening the life expectancy of people in the UK by an
    average of seven to eight months and is costing society up to £20 billion per year. It called
    for an urgent step change in policy to reduce pollution from transport.

    Over the past year the evidence of the damage caused by air pollution has grown stronger.
    But the UK is still failing to meet European targets for safe air pollution limits across many
    parts of the country. The step change called for has not happened.

    The Government has failed to get to grips with this issue. Most of the measures set out in
    its response to our predecessors’ report are yet to be brought in. Forty out of the UK’s 43
    assessment zones are failing to meet EU targets and poor air quality is now found to be
    shortening the lives of up to 200,000 people by an average of 2 years. The Government
    must not continue to put the health of the nation at risk. It needs to:

    • Prioritise action across central Government by putting improving air quality in the
    Defra Business Plan, and set up a Cabinet Office lead Ministerial Group to oversee
    delivery of a new cross government air quality strategy;
    • Engage with local authority leaders clearly to set out the risks of failing to act to
    improve air quality, and join up thinking across local authority departments so they all
    contribute to solving this problem;
    • Establish a national framework of low emissions zones to help local authorities reduce
    pollution from traffic;
    • Ensure that thinking on air quality is central to public health reforms that will transfer
    public health functions to local authorities;
    • Launch a public awareness campaign to drive air quality up the political agenda and
    inform people about the positive action they could take to reduce emissions and their
    exposure to these.

    Four thousand people died as a result of the Great Smog of London in 1952 and this led to
    the introduction of the Clean Air Act in 1956. In 2008, 4,000 people died in London from
    air pollution and 30,000 died across the whole of the UK.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmenvaud/1024/1024.pdf
  • s_b
    s_b Posts: 4,463 Forumite
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    cepheus wrote: »
    Air quality: A follow up report Ninth Report of Session 2010–12

    Summary

    In 2010 our predecessor Environmental Audit Committee reported on Air Quality. It
    found that poor air quality is shortening the life expectancy of people in the UK by an
    average of seven to eight months and is costing society up to £20 billion per year. It called
    for an urgent step change in policy to reduce pollution from transport.

    Over the past year the evidence of the damage caused by air pollution has grown stronger.
    But the UK is still failing to meet European targets for safe air pollution limits across many
    parts of the country. The step change called for has not happened.

    The Government has failed to get to grips with this issue. Most of the measures set out in
    its response to our predecessors’ report are yet to be brought in. Forty out of the UK’s 43
    assessment zones are failing to meet EU targets and poor air quality is now found to be
    shortening the lives of up to 200,000 people by an average of 2 years. The Government
    must not continue to put the health of the nation at risk. It needs to:

    • Prioritise action across central Government by putting improving air quality in the
    Defra Business Plan, and set up a Cabinet Office lead Ministerial Group to oversee
    delivery of a new cross government air quality strategy;
    • Engage with local authority leaders clearly to set out the risks of failing to act to
    improve air quality, and join up thinking across local authority departments so they all
    contribute to solving this problem;
    • Establish a national framework of low emissions zones to help local authorities reduce
    pollution from traffic;
    • Ensure that thinking on air quality is central to public health reforms that will transfer
    public health functions to local authorities;
    • Launch a public awareness campaign to drive air quality up the political agenda and
    inform people about the positive action they could take to reduce emissions and their
    exposure to these.

    Four thousand people died as a result of the Great Smog of London in 1952 and this led to
    the introduction of the Clean Air Act in 1956. In 2008, 4,000 people died in London from
    air pollution and 30,000 died across the whole of the UK.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmenvaud/1024/1024.pdf

    theres a recession on by the way
    people are struggling to keep their houses without reading rubbish about reducing emissions further
    the diesel engine is at the end of being refined more anyway
    petrol technonolgy is the way forward this next 10 years
    electric cars still need dirty fuels at the power station and just look at that big fire at the power station in essex now im not sure but they were talking about making ferry bridge run on these wood pellets and they were coming from canada
    the proletariat can only bend so far
  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
    edited 27 February 2012 at 7:17PM
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    If you are short of cash, drive and use less, that will save quite a bit. Personally I don't want to pay for others health bills due to the crap your car gives out.

    The reason Diesels are supposed to be cleaner nowadays is because they are fittted with emission control equipment and have advanced electronic management systems set up to reduce emissions.

    Perhaps you have missed the point of the thread, it is about removing emission control equipment and fiddling with the engine controls. That document doesn't seem to realise people do this, so when the air quality doesn't improve they will tighten up controls even more, and introduce even more complexity and expense.
  • s_b
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    cepheus wrote: »
    If you are short of cash, drive and use less, that will save quite a bit. Personally I don't want to pay for others health bills due to the crap your car gives out.

    The reason Diesels are supposed to be cleaner nowadays is because they are fittted with emission control equipment and have advanced electronic management systems set up to reduce emissions.

    Perhaps you have missed the point of the thread, it is about removing emission control equipment and fiddling with the engine controls. That document doesn't seem to realise people do this, so when the air quality doesn't improve they will tighten up controls even more, and introduce even more complexity and expense.

    hi

    theres too many people and too many cars in this country so whats the point
    seriously
    we all know where its all going
    its just a matter of time
  • Invalidation
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    taffy056 wrote: »
    Hiya guys,

    I have a Mazda 6 turbo diesel and the DPF light and management light has come on, its a high miler 85k on a 57 plate, I have run over it 2000 rpm for quite a few miles and its not cleared with regeneration, and was wondering my next step with this.

    I was thinking of having it taken out and the ecu reprogrammed , but its expensive at about £500 , there are quite a few people selling snakeoil that claims all sort of things. The garages are saying thousands to replace the thing.

    Anyone got an alternative ? Thanks and Happy Christmas ;)

    You cant simply remove it and not replace it due to the new MOT's coming in. It has to have original equipment

    Ive got a VW T4 with a decat tube and will have to have a particulate filter refitted as thats what it had originally
    The DWP = Legally kicking the Disabled when they are down.
  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
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    Diesel fumes cause cancer, says WHO


    Official label of 'carcinogen' means exhaust emissions should be treated in same league as passive smoking or UV radiation

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18415532
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