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    • MSE Marcus
    • By MSE Marcus 7th Oct 19, 7:26 PM
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    MSE Marcus
    Forum Announcement
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    • 7th Oct 19, 7:26 PM
    Forum Announcement 7th Oct 19 at 7:26 PM
    Dear MSE Forumites!

    Im Marcus and Im the Editor-in-Chief at MoneySavingExpert.com.

    I have some really important news to share with you and I hope you will all be as excited as we are here at MSE Towers.

    MSE Forums began almost 17 years ago and has become one of the UKs biggest communities. Its a lively, active place to share everything from MoneySaving tips to the best slow-cooker recipes. Were incredibly proud of what you, the Forumites, have built, and see it as an invaluable part of our wider mission to help consumers.

    For our regulars though, you will have noticed over the past few years that the bit we do the technology that supports our Forum - has been creaking at best, and completely broken at worst. Weve reached the stage where our present platform is simply unsustainable when it breaks, were not able to fix it.

    We want your Forum to live for at least another 17 years.

    So, weve made the big decision to significantly invest in a new platform which all of you will be moved across to. We aim to keep the best of the existing Forum, but tackle the frustrating bits that you tell us you dont like.

    To be clear, some things will change. But staying as we are is not an option, and the alternative would be closing the MSE Forums which we have no intention of doing.

    After many months of planning, research and an awful lot of meetings, weve found a new provider and work has started on the behind-the-scenes technology.

    Your new platform will hopefully go live in early 2020. But in the meantime, we need your help! Were looking for a top team of Forumites to help us with the finishing touches, especially the look and feel of our new Forum. If youre interested in becoming a member (there may be a Badge!) of the Fab-Forumite Feature Testing Group, please let us know by registering your interest here

    We realise some of you may feel apprehensive about all this. But closing the Forum simply wasnt an option to Martin, myself or the rest of MSE. That means, despite the challenges, were hoping you will embrace the new Forum.

    As always, we welcome your constructive feedback and keep your eyes peeled for regular updates from me and the Forum Team over the coming weeks.

    Marcus Herbert
    Editor-in-Chief, MoneySavingExpert.com
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    • john539
    • By john539 9th Oct 19, 12:24 AM
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    john539
    Dear MSE Forumites!

    Im Marcus and Im the Editor-in-Chief at MoneySavingExpert.com.

    I have some really important news to share with you and I hope you will all be as excited as we are here at MSE Towers.

    MSE Forums began almost 17 years ago and has become one of the UKs biggest communities. Its a lively, active place to share everything from MoneySaving tips to the best slow-cooker recipes. Were incredibly proud of what you, the Forumites, have built, and see it as an invaluable part of our wider mission to help consumers.

    For our regulars though, you will have noticed over the past few years that the bit we do the technology that supports our Forum - has been creaking at best, and completely broken at worst. Weve reached the stage where our present platform is simply unsustainable when it breaks, were not able to fix it.

    We want your Forum to live for at least another 17 years.

    So, weve made the big decision to significantly invest in a new platform which all of you will be moved across to. We aim to keep the best of the existing Forum, but tackle the frustrating bits that you tell us you dont like.

    To be clear, some things will change. But staying as we are is not an option, and the alternative would be closing the MSE Forums which we have no intention of doing.

    After many months of planning, research and an awful lot of meetings, weve found a new provider and work has started on the behind-the-scenes technology.

    Your new platform will hopefully go live in early 2020. But in the meantime, we need your help! Were looking for a top team of Forumites to help us with the finishing touches, especially the look and feel of our new Forum. If youre interested in becoming a member (there may be a Badge!) of the Fab-Forumite Feature Testing Group, please let us know by registering your interest here

    We realise some of you may feel apprehensive about all this. But closing the Forum simply wasnt an option to Martin, myself or the rest of MSE. That means, despite the challenges, were hoping you will embrace the new Forum.

    As always, we welcome your constructive feedback and keep your eyes peeled for regular updates from me and the Forum Team over the coming weeks.

    Marcus Herbert
    Editor-in-Chief, MoneySavingExpert.com
    Originally posted by MSE Marcus
    Don't throw the baby out with the bath water !

    Don't ruin it !

    It's very easy to take for granted what you have now, do fancy new redesign & ruin things.

    Sorry, doesn't sound good, seen it happen elsewhere.

    I think old style dense layout is fantastic.

    It's so easy to let the web designers loose with their fancy redesigns and they never get it right on what has evolved over many many years.
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    • SingleSue
    • By SingleSue 9th Oct 19, 12:28 AM
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    SingleSue
    Agreed.

    I would estimate that over 95+% of my usage of MSE is "desktop" (OK actually a very old laptop) and only a tiny percentage on a tablet if I'm out and about.
    Think I've used a mobile to access just twice in "an emergency"
    Originally posted by quoia
    I switch to desktop mode on my phone when away from my laptop, much easier on the eyes and to navigate and with full functionality.

    Also, in my experience (I have a couple of my own forums), a site with bling may look good but it can also end up putting off the mainstream of the users as it becomes a PITA to navigate around all the bells and whistles.
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    • fatbelly
    • By fatbelly 9th Oct 19, 7:51 AM
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    fatbelly
    * - it's not just me saying this now, here is a comment by one of the BG's from back in 2015 about the redesign, and the feedback given then
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=69198458&postcount=5
    Originally posted by pooch
    I knew that would be a quote from Fermi before I clicked on it.

    BTW I don't agree with the announcement headline that 'the Forum is broken and not working'. I think it's not as relevant as it was ten years ago, and a lot of valuable contributors no longer post (Fermi the first name that comes to mind) but it's still a valuable resource with many reliable contributors.

    I understand that platforms become obsolete and things have to change but please could I request that function is given a priority over style.
    Last edited by fatbelly; 10-10-2019 at 8:52 PM.
    • Sea Shell
    • By Sea Shell 9th Oct 19, 8:09 AM
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    Sea Shell
    Please can we have an easy way to exclude parts of the forum (ie Comp Boards for those of us who don't comp)

    I currently have a link that a kind forumite gave me, that does this, when I search for new posts. It'd be good to still be able to do this still. Otherwise you're forever scrolling through pages of them, especially in the mornings when they're all launched.
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    • mobilejunkie
    • By mobilejunkie 9th Oct 19, 8:11 AM
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    mobilejunkie
    I'm NOT looking forward to a change. Every time any site changes something it's harder to use (despite the claims/justifications used by the site), more tme-consuming with little or no benefits. The "remedies" are "change your browser" - which for me would mean throwing out my computer, printer, printer supplies etc (which would no longer work with the latest operating system), spend copious amounts of money and even more copious amounts of time trying to get everything to work on the new system (which would no doubt only last a few years before it all starts again) and finding some things don't work as well or at all - and/or "use your smartphone instead"; assuming we all spend more bucketloads of money on a smartphone which (in turn) needs replacing/updating even more frequently and while I prefer to use the desktop computer.

    Much of the "progress" and "updating" seems to designed to justify IT and management jobs and force us (I know some go willingly...) to throw large sums of money regularly at updating equipement which would work perfectly well if "upgrades" (hate that word because they rarely are) weren't foisted upon us at increasingly shorter intervals.

    No wonder the planet is doomed - lots of waste and thrown away technology/equipment to sustain the profits of IT companies.
    • tolly16
    • By tolly16 9th Oct 19, 8:37 AM
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    tolly16
    Another vote here for the old look
    • vixg66
    • By vixg66 9th Oct 19, 8:42 AM
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    vixg66
    I’m confused by people talking about the blue site. Are you referring to the main MSE site? I only see the forum in 80’s hospital green (which I hate). I’m no spring chicken but I would welcome a sleeker look on the forum - and anything but green!
    • Broadwood
    • By Broadwood 9th Oct 19, 8:59 AM
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    Broadwood
    Agreed.

    I would estimate that over 95+% of my usage of MSE is "desktop" (OK actually a very old laptop) and only a tiny percentage on a tablet if I'm out and about.
    Think I've used a mobile to access just twice in "an emergency"
    Originally posted by quoia
    I rarely use my old desktop now prefering the comfort of using the wife's 10" tablet. Using the Chrome browser I just tick the Desktop Site box and MSE then looks and feels exactly as it does in Firefox on my desktop.

    Only in emergency would I use my 4" phone screen for MSE. My eyesight isn't really up to it.
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    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 9th Oct 19, 10:41 AM
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    seven-day-weekend
    Green forum please and the ability to access it on a desktop. Very important for many.
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    • NaughtiusMaximus
    • By NaughtiusMaximus 9th Oct 19, 11:24 AM
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    NaughtiusMaximus
    I switch to desktop mode on my phone when away from my laptop, much easier on the eyes and to navigate and with full functionality.
    Originally posted by SingleSue
    Me too, only problem is the icons are tiny and it's easy to hit the wrong one.

    I can never understand why mobile websites and apps are ALWAYS hamstrung in terms of functionality when compared to the equivalent desktop website (as I mentioned earlier this seems to be across the board, not a specific MSE thing, the ebay mobile site is an example which is far worse in this regard). What's wrong with just restricting the changes to optimising the view for a much smaller screen but preserving all the functionality?
    • Primrose
    • By Primrose 9th Oct 19, 11:37 AM
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    Primrose
    A couple of pleas!

    1. Please can we keep the green and white format and not that dreadful white one. I am visually challenged with glaucoma and the all-white layout is extremely dazzling and difficult to manipulate,

    2. Please can you relocate the Reporting Spam button which is currently on the far bottom right hand side below every thread. With most of us being eight handed I,ve lost count of the number of times I've accidentally pressed it in error whilst swiping to move to the next thread. A move to somewhere further left would probably ensure less accidents.

    PLEASE ASK YOUR NEW DEVELOPERS TO REMEMBER THAT MOST OF US ARE CREATURES OF HABIT AND HATE CHANGE, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET OLDER, And there are lot of oldies on here with older equipment and changing technology is already making life hard for us.

    So please keep as much as possible to the current familiar layout on the surface, however much you need to change things behind the scenes.

    Can you give us some idea of some of the things which were no longer working as I've generally found using the forum OK.
    Last edited by Primrose; 09-10-2019 at 11:49 AM.
    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 9th Oct 19, 11:45 AM
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    One-Eye
    SEARCH - Suggestions for improvement

    1) Please can search NOT be restricted to 300 results.

    2) Please can we have Search within Search Results
    eg. Search for xxxxxx, then search these results for yyyyyy

    3) Please can Search work properly for a multi-word string in quotes
    eg. Search for "xxxx yyyy zzzz" returns only results that contain "xxxx yyyy zzzz" and excludes such as "xxxx was once yyyy and sometimes zzzz" ie. No implied OR or AND operator when quotes are used. On "Competitions Time" this would mean searching "E: 09/10" would actually work.


    thanks
    Last edited by One-Eye; 09-10-2019 at 11:51 AM.
    • john539
    • By john539 9th Oct 19, 1:19 PM
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    john539
    I’m confused by people talking about the blue site. Are you referring to the main MSE site? I only see the forum in 80’s hospital green (which I hate). I’m no spring chicken but I would welcome a sleeker look on the forum - and anything but green!
    Originally posted by vixg66
    Select User CP (top), Edit Options (on left).

    Go to Miscellaneous Options (towards bottom).

    In Forum Skin option you can select look of forums.

    I think some skin options have disappeared from here, particularly ones that refer to old style. There are now only 3 options, used to be more.
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    • DD265
    • By DD265 9th Oct 19, 1:39 PM
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    DD265
    Im confused by people talking about the blue site. Are you referring to the main MSE site? I only see the forum in 80s hospital green (which I hate). Im no spring chicken but I would welcome a sleeker look on the forum - and anything but green!
    Originally posted by vixg66
    I think newer members only get a 'blue' option, which does look sleeker, though I prefer the green layout myself. If you log out (or open the forum with private browsing) you'll probably see it - mine changes to green as soon as I log in.
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    • fifeken
    • By fifeken 9th Oct 19, 4:02 PM
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    fifeken
    After an awful lot of meetings, weve found a new provider and work has started on the behind-the-scenes technology.
    Originally posted by MSE Marcus
    You should have requested users' opinions before you did all that. Some providers just can't give what users need/want.

    As the decision has already been made can you tell us who it is and assure us that Tapatalk won't be a requirement?
    • SWS1
    • By SWS1 9th Oct 19, 4:18 PM
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    SWS1
    Can I or can't I start a new thread?
    I'm a bit confused. Is the forum moribund or can we still post? I have a query that I thought Forumites might help with.
    • Eco Miser
    • By Eco Miser 9th Oct 19, 4:38 PM
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    Eco Miser
    Having survived many 'upgrades' on many systems, I have come to dread that word.

    Please can you ensure that all the functionality of the old green style is replicated on your shiny new system, and that you properly cater to users with big, wide landscape format screens, as well as those with tiny portrait format screens. I have vision problems so only use the former, and get annoyed at the sites with just a narrow strip of text down the middle of my wide screen. On a related note, please cater for those of us who have increased the size of the text significantly.
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    • cymruchris
    • By cymruchris 9th Oct 19, 5:05 PM
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    cymruchris
    You can't do a worse job than Boris and his cronies. Let's see what you come up with !
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    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 9th Oct 19, 7:19 PM
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    Tigsteroonie
    I'm a bit confused. Is the forum moribund or can we still post? I have a query that I thought Forumites might help with.
    Originally posted by SWS1
    Still active, you can still post a new thread.
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    • mobilejunkie
    • By mobilejunkie 9th Oct 19, 8:05 PM
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    mobilejunkie
    You can't do a worse job than Boris and his cronies. Let's see what you come up with !
    Originally posted by cymruchris
    There's an ongoing competition to see if they can. Why hope for the best when you usually get the worse and it was fine as it was?
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