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    • JasonHand
    • By JasonHand 13th Nov 19, 3:25 PM
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    Voluntary Redundancy and new job offer at the same time
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    • 13th Nov 19, 3:25 PM
    Voluntary Redundancy and new job offer at the same time 13th Nov 19 at 3:25 PM
    Last Friday I was informed my role was at risk and I could also put my name forward for VR. I was told I was going into a consultation process which will last for 30 days.

    At pretty much the same time I received a phone call from a prospective new employer wanting to arrange job interview for a new role. Its a totally different company

    I've had the interview today and things went pretty well. So if this company was to offer me this job would I still qualify for VR? My understanding is I would have to agree with the new employer to start my role after the consolation period.

    Can I just then tell my existing employer I want to take VR because I will be starting a new role in 2020? Obviously this situation works well for my colleagues who are also at risk (nobody would actually lose their jobs) and I would obviously be lucky to have a significant payout.

    Many Thanks
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    • Caz3121
    • By Caz3121 13th Nov 19, 4:25 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 4:25 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 4:25 PM

    Can I just then tell my existing employer I want to take VR because I will be starting a new role in 2020? Obviously this situation works well for my colleagues who are also at risk (nobody would actually lose their jobs) and I would obviously be lucky to have a significant payout.
    Originally posted by JasonHand
    Employer could save themselves a significant payout if they know you are planning to leave anyway.
    • JasonHand
    • By JasonHand 13th Nov 19, 5:00 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:00 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:00 PM
    Employer could save themselves a significant payout if they know you are planning to leave anyway.
    Originally posted by Caz3121
    Thanks Caz, so you would recommend I just confirm I want to take VR and say nothing about a potential new job
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 13th Nov 19, 5:27 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:27 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:27 PM

    Can I just then tell my existing employer I want to take VR because I will be starting a new role in 2020?
    Originally posted by JasonHand
    Of course. But expect the offer of "voluntary redundancy" to be withdrawn very, very quickly.
    • Jox
    • By Jox 13th Nov 19, 5:53 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:53 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 5:53 PM
    Yes, don't mention the new job at all.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 13th Nov 19, 7:05 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:05 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:05 PM
    Oh and don't tell colleagues/friends about the offer, it may trickle back to management
    • Blatchford
    • By Blatchford 13th Nov 19, 7:29 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:29 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:29 PM
    Oh and don't tell colleagues/friends about the offer, it may trickle back to management
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    It trickles damned fast when references requests come in!
    • Vegastare
    • By Vegastare 13th Nov 19, 7:37 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:37 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 7:37 PM
    Yep I would keep a tight lip on it.....but if you have some proof that you were advised of VR and 30 day period, and that the other job offer was after this(even if next day) ..... it could help if things got stroppy.

    Happened to old colleague who's post was going - there had been informal notice of funding issue - so she looked at jobs got interview and offer of job - she was able to say she had interview and had accepted due to previous discussion regarding possible redundancy and the potential loss of job(which did happen). They gave her the redundancy. But it was not a case of VR.

    But the fact that she had looked because of the discussions etc she had her redundancy pay.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 13th Nov 19, 10:39 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 10:39 PM
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    • 13th Nov 19, 10:39 PM
    They don't need to do 30 days consulting for those that want to take VR.

    First rule is keep it VERY quiet till you have to let on.

    Sus out the employers attitude and approach to these situations, many are reasonable some will pull any offer or withdraw redundancies.

    Assess if they may be interested in early finishers.

    Work out your place in the pecking order to try to assess if you would be on the list to be let go.
    • JasonHand
    • By JasonHand 14th Nov 19, 9:55 AM
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    Thanks everyone for the replies. I think its a case of keeping very quiet then.

    The reference side of things is a concern. This is something which I was thinking about yesterday evening.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 14th Nov 19, 12:15 PM
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    What's your contractual notice?
    • JasonHand
    • By JasonHand 14th Nov 19, 2:56 PM
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    What's your contractual notice?
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Hi its 2 months.

    I do have some further information since I last posted. Today I have applied for VR (deadline is tomorrow morning) and I believe people taking VR will leave the business next Friday (22nd Nov)

    I also know how and when salaries and redundancy will be paid. I will receive my normal salary at the end of November. I will then receive a salary for December from 1st to the 21st, stat redundancy and my notice payment and any payment for holidays not taken.

    Also I've had another informal chat with the new company and discussed what's is happening with my current employment. I am not planning any further discussions with this company until I know what is happening with my VR.

    My plan was to hopefully be accepted for VR, finish Friday 22nd Nov and then go into more formal talks with the new company.

    This seems like a good plan. My concern would be is there anything I can do after the 22nd November which might put the final December payment at risk?

    Thanks again everyone was responding
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