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    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 21st Mar 15, 9:02 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    Experiences of claiming pip on mental health grounds.
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    • 21st Mar 15, 9:02 PM
    Experiences of claiming pip on mental health grounds. 21st Mar 15 at 9:02 PM
    I currently claim DLA as I have Bipolar disorder which has a great impact on my life. However, my claim is due to end in August.

    I know I will soon receive an invite to claim pip, however I have heard some horror stories relating to applying for this benefit on mental health grounds.

    I would just like to hear peoples experiences please.
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  • benniebert
    Or they learn to cope like many people do have to learn to cope with other conditions. One of my colleague has been diagnosed with bipolar, but has always managed to work. She does go through terrible depressive times which she really struggles with, but has managed to continue working. She also has manic times when she makes very silly decisions, such as buying a very expensive car and then selling it at half the Thankfully, she earns a decent salary and can make up these financial mistakes when she is stable.

    Are you saying that this person should be entitled to DLA? On which basis? What would she spend it to help her condition that she can't afford at the moment?

    Indeed, having worked in mental health, I can say that a number of people were given indefinite awards from conditions such as bipolar or severe depression.
    Originally posted by FBaby
    As I have said, an indefinite award is quite common.
    It does seem wrong to me. I do wonder if I put in a claim for AA what award would I get and would it be indefinite? I don't think it should and to be honest I don't believe that any award should be made either.


    But, I do 'fit the criteria' very well. So who knows, money for old rope I suppose.
    • Chouette
    • By Chouette 6th Apr 15, 4:02 PM
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    Chouette
    I sincerely hope that you challenged the actions of the assessor and asked for MR at the very least, or if necessary took the matter to the Tribunals.
    Originally posted by dori2o
    Unfortunately I couldn't face a tribunal again, I've already had to attend two in the past. It seemed less hassle just to reapply after I'd managed to generate a claim that looked more convincing on paper.

    I did write them a letter to say there had been some misunderstanding. I got a callback a few weeks later from them but I was so flustered by having the phone ring I told them I hadn't rung them, and they said "No need for a callback then" and hung up. It was only later that I realised it might have been a "call back" about the letter, rather than a callback returning a call... I do wonder what they were going to say.
  • benniebert
    Unfortunately I couldn't face a tribunal again, I've already had to attend two in the past. It seemed less hassle just to reapply after I'd managed to generate a claim that looked more convincing on paper.

    I did write them a letter to say there had been some misunderstanding. I got a callback a few weeks later from them but I was so flustered by having the phone ring I told them I hadn't rung them, and they said "No need for a callback then" and hung up. It was only later that I realised it might have been a "call back" about the letter, rather than a callback returning a call... I do wonder what they were going to say.
    Originally posted by Chouette
    In my opinion the DWP should never telephone a claimant even if a call back was requested.
    Everything should be put in writing.
    There can be no end of trouble with a claim, if someone who gets flustered on the phone is asked questions about their claim. Many will say the first thing that comes into their head, be it right or wrong.
    If someone rand me up and asked how am I, my immediate reply would be I'm OK thanks. In hindsight that could well be the wrong answer as it wasn't the full picture....I'm OK thanks, BUT..........
    With phone calls there is no evidence of what was said apart from the notes that the DWP make. I have seen these notes myself when I have asked for copies of my files. There was no way that what was recorded were my actual comments. They 'represented' what I said which was nothing more than someone putting pen to paper and recording what they thought/believed/remembered what they heard.
    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 6th Apr 15, 8:42 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    Not sure why you like to compare people to others with the same illness FBaby.

    Many people are affected by the same illness in different ways. It is how it affects an individual. I'm not disputing that some people can continue living a fairly "normal" life, but not everyone can.

    I also have never said that everyone with Bipolar or indeed any other illness be it mental health or physical problems should claim any benefits. That is down to the individual to make that call. My partner works with 2 people who have full time contracts who claim DLA. So it's not an out of work benefit.

    Also I'm not remotely interested in whether you have worked in mental health. We are talking about how an illness affects each individual. In fact my original post was basically asking about other people's experiences of claiming pip on mental health grounds. Unfortunately it appears that it has drifted off topic quite a bit which is shame really.

    As for indefinite awards, it would be interesting for some people to know the stats on that. Personally it is none of my business.
    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 7th Apr 15, 6:23 PM
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    FBaby
    You are not making much sense, sorry. You don't seem to realise that I am saying exactly the same as you are, ie. not everyone is the same and it is about the individual.

    That is EXACTLY my point, that indeed, it is not because you have one condition that everyone's needs are the same and therefore SOME will be able to cope and not require benefits whilst others won't.

    If you agree that it is very much about the individual not the condition, then why do you want to know about the experience of other's with bipolar disorder since as you make the point yourself, their own experience might have nothing to do with yours.

    Anyway, if you know you have genuine needs that requires additional funding, why are you so stressed? PIP is not a difficult benefit to get if you can show the evidence behind your claims.
    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 7th Apr 15, 7:51 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    If you ask most people regardless of illness why the form filling ect is stressfull, then you will probably find that they will say pretty much the same thing.

    If you search through the threads on this forum alone, you will probably find great similarities between each person's responses. Many of the threads\replies are in regards to how stressful and distressing the whole process is.

    An extra thought: why is filling a job application form so stressful. I've seen people nearly have a nervous breakdown because they find it so stressful. Same could be said about a job interview or sitting an exam.

    Finally, my initial question was asking for other people with mental health problems what their experiences have been. I wasn't looking for people's responses who specifically had bipolar disorder. I was giving a very basic reason why I was asking in the first place.
    Last edited by the devil made me do it; 07-04-2015 at 8:22 PM.
  • benniebert

    Finally, my initial question was asking for other people with mental health problems what their experiences have been. I wasn't looking for people's responses who specifically had bipolar disorder. I was giving a very basic reason why I was asking in the first place.
    Originally posted by the devil made me do it
    In that case, my experience has been zero. Why because I could never write down how I am in a honest way, describing a normal day without feeling bloody awful afterwards - (my normal way of explaining things is not to explain them but to gloss over everything)
    Would I want to put myself through that nightmare with the possibility of having to ask for a reconsideration and worst still, have to give verbal evidence at a Tribunal? No way, I can just about hold myself together as it is, I don't need to self inflict further problems.
    By the way I have been suffering for nearly 20 years.
    • densol
    • By densol 8th Apr 15, 10:06 AM
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    In that case, my experience has been zero. Why because I could never write down how I am in a honest way, describing a normal day without feeling bloody awful afterwards - (my normal way of explaining things is not to explain them but to gloss over everything)
    Would I want to put myself through that nightmare with the possibility of having to ask for a reconsideration and worst still, have to give verbal evidence at a Tribunal? No way, I can just about hold myself together as it is, I don't need to self inflict further problems.
    By the way I have been suffering for nearly 20 years.
    Originally posted by benniebert
    You seem to do a VERY good job on these forums explaining things !
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  • benniebert
    You seem to do a VERY good job on these forums explaining things !
    Originally posted by densol
    Exactly - glossing over things. You won't find me moaning about all of my symptoms, side effects and needs. I ignore them. I am more likely than not to underplay them in order to justify why I SHOULD NOT make a claim for benefits.
    • densol
    • By densol 9th Apr 15, 12:47 AM
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    Exactly - glossing over things. You won't find me moaning about all of my symptoms, side effects and needs. I ignore them. I am more likely than not to underplay them in order to justify why I SHOULD NOT make a claim for benefits.
    Originally posted by benniebert
    There is nothing wrong with claiming benefits if you qualify under the rules and its important not to put off other people who read these forums either!
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    • Parva
    • By Parva 9th Apr 15, 4:51 AM
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    By the way I have been suffering for nearly 20 years.
    Originally posted by benniebert
    It feels like we have too Andy but do continue to pour your vitriolic views on the uninitiated here.
  • benniebert
    There is nothing wrong with claiming benefits if you qualify under the rules and its important not to put off other people who read these forums either!
    Originally posted by densol


    You don't think so?


    There is a very interesting and enlightening thread on another part of this site. Maybe it would be of interest to you?


    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5215082


    It deals with the needs of someone when thinking of claiming.
    Your views and attitude to the welfare state is well debated - maybe you should consider two things before saying that a disability = more money.
    1. What would you need the extra money for and would it help you live with the disability better,
    and
    2. Are you in such financial dire straights that you need to claim this extra money.
    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 9th Apr 15, 8:29 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    It is really no one else's business why an individual decides to claim a benefit that they feel they need.

    It's the same with many things in life, it is no one else's business.
  • benniebert
    It is really no one else's business why an individual decides to claim a benefit that they feel they need.

    It's the same with many things in life, it is no one else's business.
    Originally posted by the devil made me do it


    Have you missed the last couple of years when it has been exposed how much is being paid out in benefits in this country?
    Benefits that are being paid out to people who may have a moral right to them, but financially they don't need them?


    As for it being no one else's business - I would agree - it is down to their own moral judgement. But however there is enough going on at the moment that apparently it IS your business if you know someone who may be cheating the system, and it is your moral duty to inform on them.


    Seems that a lot of double standards are at play here.
    • cbrown372
    • By cbrown372 10th Apr 15, 12:44 PM
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    cbrown372

    Seems that a lot of double standards are at play here.
    Originally posted by benniebert
    and none more so than coming from you Andy, now as you allegedly have never claimed these benefits for this particular user name will you sod off and let the people who know something about it answer the questions.

    Perhaps we can get the mental health team to airlift you to hospital soon as you sure as heck need it.
    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 10th Apr 15, 9:12 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    Have you missed the last couple of years when it has been exposed how much is being paid out in benefits in this country?
    Benefits that are being paid out to people who may have a moral right to them, but financially they don't need them?


    As for it being no one else's business - I would agree - it is down to their own moral judgement. But however there is enough going on at the moment that apparently it IS your business if you know someone who may be cheating the system, and it is your moral duty to inform on them.


    Seems that a lot of double standards are at play here.
    Originally posted by benniebert
    Your posting this opinion on the wrong section of the forum. You need to take your opinion to the "discussion time" section.
    • immoral_angeluk
    • By immoral_angeluk 17th Apr 15, 11:26 PM
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    I claimed pip about 18 months ago for chronic depression and anxiety/ocd. It took 9 months start to finish for my claim to go through and it was a living nightmare. They lost my first form (which had been completed by my then colleague at the CAB), so I had to do another. They then kept me hanging on with the threat of medicals for another 3 months before sending capita to do a home visit. The home visit lady was absolutely lovely in fairness to her, and was apparently an ex nurse? She asked questions which gave her answers to what she needed to know, rather than trying to catch me out. She also asked specific questions about my illness that were relevant to what she needed so in all it went well. 4 months later I was awarded enhanced daily living rate and eventually got the payments including backpay.
    When I claimed I made sure that I included all the details and any relevant letters, including a supporting letter from my support worker at the time from Mind.

    Between claiming PIP and ESA at the same time, I can honestly say it was the worst 9 months of my life so far. All the stress, complexity and pressure all whilst battling with depression and anxiety nearly did me in. I broke down in tears when I checked my bank and saw that I'd been paid out of the blue. It was a huge relief.

    Think I'm being reassessed again in 2016, so the hell will start all over again.
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    • the devil made me do it
    • By the devil made me do it 21st Apr 15, 7:47 PM
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    the devil made me do it
    Thank you for sharing your experience immoral angel. Even though my DLA runs out in August, I still haven't received my invite to claim PIP.

    I would just rather get it over with, but as people have said, it is taking months for their form to be looked at and assessed.

    My partner has decided just to start filling in the form and send it off when the invite arrives. He joined the local carers association who advised him to do that too.

    I'll have to discuss things with my go and care coordinator as I will need supporting evidence. I have just got to hope they will have the time to write it.
  • dcems
    I got nil points for my PIP. Having to put in for reconsideration. Maybe i didnt explain how everything affects me properly-idk-as i sent in around 15 pages of medical evidence.
  • billywilly
    I got nil points for my PIP. Having to put in for reconsideration. Maybe i didnt explain how everything affects me properly-idk-as i sent in around 15 pages of medical evidence.
    Originally posted by dcems
    The 'medical evidence' is needed to prove that you fit one or more of the descriptors. The DWP are not interested in what is wrong with you, what medication you take, only how you can prove that a particular descriptor should fit you.
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