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    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 5th Jul 14, 8:40 PM
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    Denied PIP- will I lose ESA?
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    • 5th Jul 14, 8:40 PM
    Denied PIP- will I lose ESA? 5th Jul 14 at 8:40 PM
    As title.
    Thanks to Capita I didn't get PIP. I get ESA support group, now the PIP have decided there's nothing wrong with me will I lose my ESA?
    Thanks
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    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 5th Jul 14, 8:48 PM
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    The criteria for both benefits is different. You receive ESA because it's been deemed that you're unfit for work.

    I hope you get your PIP sorted.
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    • woodbine
    • By woodbine 5th Jul 14, 9:07 PM
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    • 5th Jul 14, 9:07 PM
    as above
    are you appealing the pip decision?
    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 5th Jul 14, 9:42 PM
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    I am yes. I have just realised that while they were so busy denying that there was any medical diagnosis for my back pain, they completely ignored my consultants details I clearly put on the form and have not even contacted him!
    Thanks for your help. My doctor has firmly stated on more than one occasion she believes I'm not fit for any form of work so hopefully that will be enough for now. The mere mention of having to claim JSA sends me into a rage so there is no way I could work or claim JSA right now hence the reason I'm so worried about my ESA
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  • jlawrence
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    • 5th Jul 14, 11:37 PM
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    • 5th Jul 14, 11:37 PM
    As title.
    Thanks to Capita I didn't get PIP. I get ESA support group, now the PIP have decided there's nothing wrong with me will I lose my ESA?
    Thanks
    Originally posted by Mrs_Ryan
    Hi, there is the risk that the DWP may well use the PIP assessment result to instigate a review of your ESA. Whilst both benefits are indeed different, there are quite a few similarities that make up both ESA and PIP.
    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 6th Jul 14, 12:26 AM
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    • 6th Jul 14, 12:26 AM
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    • 6th Jul 14, 12:26 AM
    Oh that's just fantastic. I'm going to ring the DWP first thing Monday as the thought of being forced into a Job I cannot do has just given me another panic attack I had a sneaking suspicion
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    • sueturnersmith
    • By sueturnersmith 6th Jul 14, 1:04 AM
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    • 6th Jul 14, 1:04 AM
    Please don't listen to comments by jlawrence. He is an habitual troll who is deliberately winding people up, and his comments are false.
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    • 6th Jul 14, 1:20 AM
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    • 6th Jul 14, 1:20 AM
    Please don't listen to comments by jlawrence. He is an habitual troll who is deliberately winding people up, and his comments are false.
    Originally posted by sueturnersmith
    eerrr sorry but you should get your facts right before stating that!! Many times on this site it has been mentioned that the DWP have used an assessment prepared for ESA which turned out to be a failure, in an appeal against DLA refusal. It has also been said many times that a poor ESA assessment could and has triggered a DLA review.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 6th Jul 14, 8:24 AM
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    OP I would wait until they contact you about any review of DLA.

    The DWP may not link the two and your telephone call could cause a review etc and make the matter worse.

    The old adage if it aint broke don't fix it springs to mind.

    Appeal your ESA and leave your DLA as is until such a time a review is sent or you are asked to apply for PIP if applicable.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 6th Jul 14, 10:11 AM
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    OP I would wait until they contact you about any review of DLA.

    The DWP may not link the two and your telephone call could cause a review etc and make the matter worse.

    The old adage if it aint broke don't fix it springs to mind.

    Appeal your ESA and leave your DLA as is until such a time a review is sent or you are asked to apply for PIP if applicable.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    From reading the OPs posts, they don't claim DLA and put in an application for PIP. They've been denied PIP.
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    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 6th Jul 14, 10:27 AM
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    Indie Kid is correct.
    I claim ESA conts and have been placed in the Support Group however from memory there were several questions asked in the ESA form that were not asked in the PIP. One of which I don't wish to go into but I suspect was something to do with why I got placed in Support Group. My ESA was awarded without a medical. I have never claimed DLA but am going to appeal my PIP decision.
    My next payment of ESA is on Thursday. I currently have about 5 to my name and if it doesn't go in I'm in real trouble. I have to ring DWP tomorrow anyway to tell them I intend to appeal my PIP decision so I might ask them then- I don't just want a shock on Thursday morning if I find an empty bank account!
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    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 6th Jul 14, 10:28 AM
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    From reading the OPs posts, they don't claim DLA and put in an application for PIP. They've been denied PIP.
    Originally posted by Indie Kid

    Sorry got it mixed up, meant the other way around. Need to read better.

    Don't worry about the ESA and appeal the PIP. Same advice just swap the two around.

    Cross post. DWP shouldn't stop your payments without telling, however it does occasionally happen.

    Wait to see if payment goes in and if it doesn't then contact them.
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 6th Jul 14, 10:44 AM
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    Indie Kid is correct.
    I claim ESA conts and have been placed in the Support Group however from memory there were several questions asked in the ESA form that were not asked in the PIP. One of which I don't wish to go into but I suspect was something to do with why I got placed in Support Group. My ESA was awarded without a medical. I have never claimed DLA but am going to appeal my PIP decision.
    My next payment of ESA is on Thursday. I currently have about 5 to my name and if it doesn't go in I'm in real trouble. I have to ring DWP tomorrow anyway to tell them I intend to appeal my PIP decision so I might ask them then- I don't just want a shock on Thursday morning if I find an empty bank account!
    Originally posted by Mrs_Ryan
    I really wouldn't ask DWP about this. This may make them a tad suspicious.

    On what grounds (if you don't mind my asking) were you awarded ESA support group without a medical.

    The reason I am asking is because the descriptors for the mobility part of PIP are quite different to the support group descriptors.

    Presumably you had evidence that supported the descriptors for getting into the support group. Did you send this evidence for the PIP?

    I will post the descriptors for each and then you can see if there are any discrepancies in any of the parts.

    Whilst PIP and ESA are quite separate benefits there might just be a cause for DWP to query things if there was a huge
    discrepancy.

    Is suspect that this is just a case of evidence not being taken into account properly.

    Just go ahead and appeal your PIP. Get some help if you can (CAB can be good if you use a large one with a benefits specialist in house.)
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 6th Jul 14, 10:45 AM
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    ESA Support Group descriptors:

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/employment-and-support-allowance/esa-glossary/1353-support-group-descriptors
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 6th Jul 14, 10:47 AM
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    PIP descriptors:

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system
    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 6th Jul 14, 10:54 AM
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    It wasn't mobility. It was down to my mental health condition (or rather one of them I should say) I've identified what it is but it's too distressing for me to talk about publicly- sorry. what I will say is that they said I had no trouble engaging with the assessor. (I did but that's another story) however this was because she was of the same gender. If she had been male I would have flat out refused to even enter the assessment room.
    Last edited by Mrs_Ryan; 06-07-2014 at 10:57 AM.
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    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 6th Jul 14, 10:57 AM
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    It wasn't mobility. It was down to my mental health condition (or rather one of them I should say) I've identified what it is but it's too distressing for me to talk about publicly- sorry.
    Originally posted by Mrs_Ryan
    No problem.

    Just go ahead and appeal your PIP
    • jetplane
    • By jetplane 6th Jul 14, 11:04 AM
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    I agree with others who have said do not alert DWP, all it takes is a customer service adviser to misinterpret your question and say that you are querying your own entitlement to ESA and that will open a can of worms.

    Ring and challenge your PIP, they have not concluded that nothing is wrong with you, just that you do not satisfy the PIP test and they are often wrong about this. Continue with your PIP claim and treat them separately.

    Many people do satisfy the test for either ESA or PIP but not always both of them, they are paid independently of each other.
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    • schrodie
    • By schrodie 6th Jul 14, 7:24 PM
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    Also if you think that Capita didn't follow the correct procedure then I'd be tempted to make a complaint to Capita as well as of course appealing.
    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 6th Jul 14, 8:17 PM
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    Yes I'm going to be complaining to Capita definitely. That's second on the list for tomorrow after phoning the DWP to tell them I will be appealing. By the look of things there was a lot of stuff she missed out- like it said I was calm and composed and showed no signs of distress- she ignored the fact I broke down in tears at one point and told her I found it hard to cope with daily life, she also failed to mention the clear fact I mentioned to her about my self harm and suicide attempts and she said that I only had one bad day a week which I didn't say at all and said at my worst I never moved from the sofa for five days. She acknowledged herself that I found it hard to articulate the sort of answers that were needed and I needed prompting to give more than one or two word answers. Looking at it now there are more holes in it than a string vest I will be putting in complaints to both Capita and DWP about their handling of this
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