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Letter of claim from bwlegal

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  • [Deleted User]
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    Ask yourself that last question again. Crikey.
  • Palec
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    Why? I was reading about ANPR or whatever abbreviation it is, automatic number plate recognition, which was not there, so it would help if it is requirement nowadays...Crikey.
  • beamerguy
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    Palec wrote: »
    Why? I was reading about ANPR or whatever abbreviation it is, automatic number plate recognition, which was not there, so it would help if it is requirement nowadays...Crikey.

    There is no requirement for ANPR it's up to the PPC
    as to whether they use ANPR or a warden
  • Palec
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    Hello everyone, on https://www.bwlegal.co.uk is not clear reply form, only expenditure and document upload is as proof, expenditure, compaint, so it seems it is better to send it also on ther contact email address and maybe complaint that they want to know income, expenses, etc, which seems not appropriate in this stage...Crikey
  • Palec
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    Thank you beamerguy, very kind.
  • Thorsson
    Thorsson Posts: 166 Forumite
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    Better post that draft response again, as there was at least one typo in the Le_Kirk version ("satted"), before you send it.
  • Palec
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    Dear Sirs,

    Thank you for your letter of (date)
    When your client's debt collectors first started contacting me, I asked them for details of the basis upon which money was being claimed, including all photographs taken of the vehicle at the relevant time. Extraordinarily, I was told by DRP that no such evidence would be provided. I tried to come to an agreement with your client without any luck as they refused £10 for 10 minutes and asked for £100 from previous £60. I could not contact landowner directly to sort it out as landowners changed at a time, too.
    All this caused significant distress to me and my family for over 12 months.

    Premier Parking Solutions Limited removed the ticket machine in that car park as it was not possible to pay by coins on the first occasion, which is sign of a faulty or non-working machine. It takes time to walk from the car to the ticket machine and back. Having to deal with such ticket machine uses up the Grace Period.I was not feeling well enough to drive, so I paid another £1 (for another ticket) and have proof it was done 10 minutes after first ticket expired.

    You have now sent a Letter of Claim. However, your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and, again, fails to provide the photographic evidence which I requested as long ago as 2014/ 2015. No cause of action is stated. Nor does it contain any mention of what evidence your client intends to rely on, or enclose copies of such evidence.




    This action on the part of your client is a clear breach of its pre-action obligations set out in the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct, with which as solicitors you must surely be familiar (and with which your client, a serial litigator of small claims, must also be familiar). As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction binds all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time.


    Nobody, including your client, is immune from the requirements and obligations of the Practice Direction. Your client cannot simply refuse to provide the relevant information "until this gets to court" [or whatever they said].

    I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

    1. an explanation of the cause of action
    2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
    3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
    4. what the details of the claim are (where it is claimed the car was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated, what contractual breach (if any) is being claimed)
    5. a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim
    6. a copy of any alleged contract with the driver
    7. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
    8. details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)
    9. If they have added anything on to the original charge, what that represents and how it has been calculated.

    I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

    If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) !!!8211; Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13 ,15(b) and (c) and 16. I will draw to the court the fact that I have expressly requested this information since as early as [date or month/year of first request] yet your client has refused to provide it, saying that it will not do so until this matter reaches the court.


    Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

    Yours faithfully,
    XY
  • Thorsson
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    I'm not qualified to advise on that proposed letter, but I suggest that you need to wait until someone who is looks at it, because I can see major issues:

    1. There are still sentences that don't make sense as English;
    2. You seem to have slipped in some sort of part defence, which I don't think is required here;
    3. You have copied words verbatim that may not apply in this case; and
    4. The Daniel San letter is probably more up to date.

    I would also say that your initial post doesn't give enough facts to get advice at the next stage and you might think about editing it, so that it tells the whole story (remembering not to use the words, I, me, myself, but always referring to the driver or the keeper). If you don't feel confident in your English skills, then keep your sentences short. It generally makes things easier to understand.
  • Le_Kirk
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    Thorsson wrote: »
    Better post that draft response again, as there was at least one typo in the Le_Kirk version ("satted"), before you send it.
    Modified my post (thanks for the heads up) but obviously cannot change OP's post. I did, in the bottom of my post suggest proof reading by OP
  • Thorsson
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    Le_Kirk wrote: »
    Modified my post (thanks for the heads up) but obviously cannot change OP's post. I did, in the bottom of my post suggest proof reading by OP

    Sorry, wasn't having a go; I think there are more problems than just some clumsy English. I started trying to sort it out and realised that it is missing information that would help it make sense.

    For instance, we are told the machine was not accepting coins and then suddenly we jump to paying £1 for another ticket. How is the reader supposed to fill in the gap?
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