cyclist deaths & the law

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  • Strider590
    Strider590 Posts: 11,874 Forumite
    Regular testing is not going to change drivers attitudes to cyclists!!!!!

    Abolish the VED, stop people from thinking they "pay road tax" and thus have more right to be there than a cyclist.

    But even that doesn't address "big theory", where the bigger or more expensive your vehicle, the more important you think you are on the roads.
    “I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”

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  • vax2002
    vax2002 Posts: 7,187 Forumite
    I do a fair bit of Cycling myself, well I own a bike...
    However you do get the militant Road rage cyclist who insist on undertaking vehicles turning left, they dont get it that if someone over takes you on the right, that does not mean you can undertake them on the left if they are turning left a mile later.
    Unless you want to DIE that is.
    A cycle never is the weapon of choice in a road rage argument.

    The best I have seen was a female driver turning left off a dual carriageway when Mr Militant decides to undertake and he ends up grabbing the mirror and hurling abuse, to which she shouted at the top her voice.
    You sir are going to end up as a F****ing stain on the road if you keep riding like that.
    Classic line.
    I do often wonder how many killed are militant car haters in Hi viz clothing as opposed to those who obey the traffic rules and highway code.
    We know some drivers make mistakes as well, but that is not the correct tool to enforce your anger upon.
    Become a bus driver if you want to run people over.
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  • custardy
    custardy Posts: 38,365 Forumite
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    Paradigm wrote: »
    I haven't said it has to be compulsory.

    It could be a free Government sponsered scheme with some incentives chucked in to encourage cyclists to take part... I dunno, maybe 12 months free accident cover if you attend.

    To be honest it's not something I've sat & planned for months but it's just not logical to have no training for the most vulnerable road users.

    you are assuming a lot.
    many cyclists hold a driving licence for a start
    I have 30+ years experience
    Theres plenty of help and advice out there for cyclists(not least of all from other experienced cyclists)
    The type you are refferring to are unlikely to go looking for it.
    hell they even have regular events in Edinburgh where they give out free lights.
    considering how cheap they(basic lights) are,its madness thjis has to be done.
  • custardy
    custardy Posts: 38,365 Forumite
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    oh and heres a good one for my city council.
    going for world cycling city status.
    The world famous Princes street and infamous trams(overbudget,overdue and now reduced service)

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    cycle friendly?
  • Dave_C_2
    Dave_C_2 Posts: 1,827 Forumite
    Paradigm wrote: »
    Lets not forget though, cyclists can take to the road with no formal training whatsoever which seems ludicrous given that they are the most vulnerable.
    Maybe some kind of safe riding course is needed?

    Some answers to this old chestnut
    1. This is classic victim blaming.
    2. Many cyclists are also car drivers.
    3. Lets not forget though, pedestrians can walk on the road with no formal training whatsoever which seems ludicrous given that they are the most vulnerable.
      Maybe some kind of safe walking course is needed?
    Dave
  • Paradigm
    Paradigm Posts: 3,613 Forumite
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    custardy wrote: »
    you are assuming a lot.
    many cyclists hold a driving licence for a start
    I have 30+ years experience
    Theres plenty of help and advice out there for cyclists(not least of all from other experienced cyclists)
    The type you are refferring to are unlikely to go looking for it.
    hell they even have regular events in Edinburgh where they give out free lights.
    considering how cheap they(basic lights) are,its madness thjis has to be done.

    What am I assuming? The fact that anyone can buy a bike & be on the road without any form of training isn't an assumption & that's all I was saying.
    I wasn't attacking cyclists or was I proposing the old "they should pay road tax" chestnut... quite where your over defensive rant came from I dunno.

    I don't remember referring to any "type"?
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  • custardy
    custardy Posts: 38,365 Forumite
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    Paradigm wrote: »
    What am I assuming? The fact that anyone can buy a bike & be on the road without any form of training isn't an assumption & that's all I was saying.
    I wasn't attacking cyclists or was I proposing the old "they should pay road tax" chestnut... quite where your over defensive rant came from I dunno.

    I don't remember referring to any "type"?

    The 'type' are those without experience or knowledge
    Or do you propose someone with 30 years+ cycling experience goes on a course?
    I'm active in both face to face and online cycling meets/information exchanges
    So i see the type of people who come looking for help & advice.
    its common for folks to come to the Edinburgh bike based forums and ask advice on routes,techniques etc
    I as get to hear about lots of injuies and the multitudes of near misses
    so that type of person is already looking for the information & advice.
    my point(not rant as you seem to think it is) is that as usual theres usually an angle that somehow theres an underlying cause from the cyclist.
    The storys I lniked to(and i can get more if you wish) show experienced cyclists who are killed through driver error(if im being generous)
  • gkerr4
    gkerr4 Posts: 495 Forumite
    Paradigm wrote: »
    I recognise what you are saying but some kind of formal training for cyclists can only be good surely?

    absolutely not. This is just blame shaming - "hmm, cyclist seem to be getting killed a lot - lets train them some more"

    when was the last time a cyclist ran into a car and killed or injured the car driver...hmm practically never? even the cyclist / cyclist or cyclist / pedestrian interface is practically unheard of.

    it's the other way around - driver education - that they don't own the road, that there are vulnerable road users out there for whom they have a duty of care and that they need to just share the damned road a bit better.

    its in the drivers interest to do this also - as every cyclist on the road is probably one less car on the morning commute.
  • Sgt_Pepper_2
    Sgt_Pepper_2 Posts: 3,644 Forumite
    Dave_C wrote: »
    Some answers to this old chestnut
    1. This is classic victim blaming.
    2. Many cyclists are also car drivers.
    3. Lets not forget though, pedestrians can walk on the road with no formal training whatsoever which seems ludicrous given that they are the most vulnerable.
      Maybe some kind of safe walking course is needed?
    Dave

    So if the driver is found not guilty, who's fault might it be?
  • custardy
    custardy Posts: 38,365 Forumite
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    Sgt_Pepper wrote: »
    So if the driver is found not guilty, who's fault might it be?

    what, you mean when a driver ploughs into the back of a cyclist on a straight piece of road?
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