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    • MSE Lucinda
    • By MSE Lucinda 25th Jan 17, 10:31 AM
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    Phone photos accepted for online passport renewals - don't send selfies
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    • 25th Jan 17, 10:31 AM
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    Phone photos accepted for online passport renewals - don't send selfies 25th Jan 17 at 10:31 AM
    Millions of UK travellers will no longer have to pay to print out passport pictures in photobooths, as photos taken on your phone can now be used for online renewals - but 'selfies' are not allowed....
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    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 25th Jan 17, 11:09 AM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 11:09 AM
    Why stress over the selfie - find the suitably coloured wall & hand your beloved phone to a trusted pal & go through the rules and take a bundle of shots - then weed them & see if any of them make the grade.

    Asda machines will print 6 passport sized shots from a smartphone on one sheet for less than a pound (& I think Boots do too) so if the passport systems refuse the digital image, then a paper copy is not that far away.
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 25th Jan 17, 11:32 AM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 11:32 AM
    I successfully did this 2-3 months ago when I renewed my passport.

    Note: it seems the online application is a bit too pessimistic over whether an uploaded photo is acceptable. It will probably be initially rejected with an indication of the reason why (seems a very common occurrence going by numerous other posts across the internet), but if you don't agree with the rejection, carry on regardless (giving the reason that you don't believe the rejection is valid).
    Mine was later accepted without further question, presumably after it was manually re-assessed.
    (Iirc, I think the initial automatic rejection was because of shadows on the photo, which I refuted)

    Got my renewed passport within 7 days of application (and part of that delay seemed to be slow delivery of my old passport to the passport office by RM). Got my initial acceptance of renewal the same working day, and by the second working day they were reminding me to send off my old passport (which I already had) as they cannot issue the new one without receipt of the old one.

    Note: One downside of online application is that you now have to sign the passport yourself when it arrives (as opposed to the signature already being part of the printed details)
    You should do this with a BLACK, BALL POINT pen.
    It took me quite a while to find these details. Do not confuse with US passport requirements where it needs to be black, but not a ball point pen.
    Last edited by footyguy; 25-01-2017 at 11:46 AM.
    • fabsaver
    • By fabsaver 25th Jan 17, 11:52 AM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 11:52 AM
    I did this when I renewed my passport last September. It took a while though, as numerous photos kept getting rejected for various reasons. The final accepted one looks like it was taken in a morgue

    When I renewed my driving licence online recently I didn't even need to submit a new photo. They automatically used the one from my passport. Great - now I'm stuck with that morgue photo for 10 years on both documents
    • richardw
    • By richardw 25th Jan 17, 12:02 PM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 12:02 PM
    Be careful of the thick rimmed spectacles objection.
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
    • fabsaver
    • By fabsaver 25th Jan 17, 12:14 PM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 12:14 PM
    Note: One downside of online application is that you now have to sign the passport yourself when it arrives (as opposed to the signature already being part of the printed details)
    You should do this with a BLACK, BALL POINT pen.
    It took me quite a while to find these details. Do not confuse with US passport requirements where it needs to be black, but not a ball point pen.
    Originally posted by footyguy
    My passport has my signature pre-printed on the photo page. I don't recall have to sign anything at the time, so they must have had my signature stored already. Likewise my new driving licence has my signature printed on it, but my application was completed wholly online.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 25th Jan 17, 1:04 PM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 1:04 PM
    This thread seems to suggest it's rather hit and miss and not to be relied on.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5480584
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 25th Jan 17, 1:08 PM
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    Ive done several driving licences using my phone.

    I have then edited the pictures, changed the background wall colour and even edited someones acne out.

    Never had one returned.
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    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 25th Jan 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 25th Jan 17, 2:32 PM
    I've used this for a passport photo. http://www.idphoto4you.com/

    It worked well. Printed in Tescos for about 30p. I expect it will give a single photo as a file.
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    • Pincher
    • By Pincher 25th Jan 17, 4:15 PM
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    We should be making it more difficult for ID thieves.

    http://www.postoffice.co.uk/passport-check-send

    I would prefer a HD webcam in a bigger Post office, so they check your IDs as well.
    • jon81uk
    • By jon81uk 26th Jan 17, 10:14 AM
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    We should be making it more difficult for ID thieves.

    http://www.postoffice.co.uk/passport-check-send

    I would prefer a HD webcam in a bigger Post office, so they check your IDs as well.
    Originally posted by Pincher
    The new system only applies to renewal, so you still have to send the old passport off and they can compare the old photo to the new photo and confirm you are still the same person. I don't see why uploading a photo online instead of posting one in makes a passport renewal less secure.
    • 2013yearofthehouse
    • By 2013yearofthehouse 26th Jan 17, 1:32 PM
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    I renewed my passport 3 years ago using a selfie!

    I used a 10 mega pixel compact camera, rather than a phone, but the photo was accepted no problem. I just took the photo against a cream wall in my house, cropped the photo down to the required size (which removed my arm showing that I was holding the camera myself) and printed it out at home to send off in the post. Same photo used for my drivers licence too.

    Being able to do it online next time will be useful - will still probably use a selfie though!
    Last edited by 2013yearofthehouse; 26-01-2017 at 1:40 PM.
    • Pincher
    • By Pincher 26th Jan 17, 2:53 PM
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    My expectation is very low.

    They probably subcontracted G4S to hire minimum wage slaves who barely glance at these photos.

    One of these days, your passport will turn up with the picture of a cute puppy, or whatever happened to be on your phone.

    If a post office did, it, I could check it before it's sent.
    • novelty-socks
    • By novelty-socks 26th Jan 17, 9:07 PM
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    I used this a few months ago. Really impressed by the speed and ease of use of the service. I assume it's one of the areas where the GOV.UK digital team has been implementing it, rather than relying on Capita or some other outsourcing rubbish.
    • smudge56
    • By smudge56 1st Feb 17, 10:36 PM
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    My passport has my signature pre-printed on the photo page. I don't recall have to sign anything at the time, so they must have had my signature stored already. Likewise my new driving licence has my signature printed on it, but my application was completed wholly online.
    Originally posted by fabsaver
    All passports issued from Monday will have to be signed after receipt no matter how you submitted your application.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 2nd Feb 17, 7:54 AM
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    All passports issued from Monday will have to be signed after receipt no matter how you submitted your application.
    Originally posted by smudge56
    What's your source for this? I don't disbelieve you, but I have just received my new passport and it already included my signature so I'm not sure why that system would be stopped.
    • Katiehound
    • By Katiehound 2nd Feb 17, 3:20 PM
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    All passports issued from Monday will have to be signed after receipt no matter how you submitted your application.
    Originally posted by smudge56
    Having just posted application form off today I hope that is not the case. At least when it was scanned in it was protected by the lamination. If it is added later there is a greater chance to get messy /wear off!
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    • smudge56
    • By smudge56 3rd Feb 17, 8:12 PM
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    What's your source for this? I don't disbelieve you, but I have just received my new passport and it already included my signature so I'm not sure why that system would be stopped.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Your passport will have been issued and printed before 30th January. Any issued and printed after that date will no longer have the signature printed on them. These will have to be signed with a black ball point pen. Using a black ball point pen avoids fading apparently
    • leylandsunaddict
    • By leylandsunaddict 3rd Feb 17, 9:08 PM
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    Having just posted application form off today I hope that is not the case. At least when it was scanned in it was protected by the lamination. If it is added later there is a greater chance to get messy /wear off!
    Originally posted by Katiehound
    It will need to be signed with a black ball point pen.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/signing-your-new-passport/signing-your-new-passport
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 6th Feb 17, 12:36 PM
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    Applied for renewal passport last Monday 30th January. My daughter took about 10 photos of me with her phone and we downloaded the one we thought was the best, it was easy to do and was approved subject to them checking the likeness to my old passport. Posted my old passport the same day.
    Today I have received my new passport (just got to sign it). What brilliant service from the Passport office at the moment, it took 1 week.
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