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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 5th Mar 08, 10:06 AM
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    Cheaper Water Bills Article Discussion
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    • 5th Mar 08, 10:06 AM
    Cheaper Water Bills Article Discussion 5th Mar 08 at 10:06 AM




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    • StineRW
    • By StineRW 8th Aug 18, 8:07 AM
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    • Alan Wednesday
    • By Alan Wednesday 3rd Jan 19, 3:20 PM
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    Southend Water Action Group
    Hi Martin,
    A good article, I fail to see why a vital utility is in the hands of private business and I speak as someone who has been looking into this issue for over two years.
    Regarding savings, as a Council tenant I paid through the Council's ALMO and, for nine years, paid around £550 per annum. Now metered and the bills last full year came to £164.
    12% of the money collected with rent stays with the Council, in contravention of Water Orders and the basis of calculation is Rateable value from 1970, a basis that was never suitable or equitable. It's likely that 3000 tenants in Southend on Sea are paying more than they should.
    Ofwat will not support this and sit on the fence.
    Regarding calculators offered by the water companies, these are likely to overestimate the cost. If you go to meter, the first account will be inflated, if you then go to DD charge will be based on that inflated account.
    Reading periods are constantly bucked, if you want to stick to bi-annual (May and November) you will need to send your own reading.
    Sewerage is based on 90% of the water supplied, however in Essex the standing charge is high due to 'low population', in other words the company has insufficient infrastructure and they charge customers for that !
    This issue is a minefield, note the following :-
    Metering will become compulsory, but at present you can have a meter removed within two years of installation.
    You don't need landlords permission to have a meter installed if you have a tenancy longer than six months.
    Water has a monopoly at the mo, this will change, but that echoes gas/elec, which may not help.
    Councils, water companies and regulator have no interest in changing things regard Council tenants.
    Benefits for disabled people are not available to Council tenants without meter.
    Alan, Southend Water Action Group.
    • MSE Kelvin
    • By MSE Kelvin 14th Feb 19, 12:35 PM
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    Hello Katecooks,

    We're doing a section on cutting water bills for next week's Money Tips Email as bills will be going up from 1 April, and we're looking for examples of people who have saved money by switching to a meter - do you have any sort of idea how much money you've saved per month or year?

    Thanks for your time and help,

    MSE Kelvin

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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 14th Feb 19, 10:38 PM
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    Hello Katecooks,

    We're doing a section on cutting water bills for next week's Money Tips Email as bills will be going up from 1 April, and we're looking for examples of people who have saved money by switching to a meter - do you have any sort of idea how much money you've saved per month or year?

    Thanks for your time and help,

    MSE Kelvin
    Originally posted by MSE Kelvin

    From her profile Katecooks doesnt appear to have contributed to the forum since March 2018.


    The saving by getting a water meter can be more dependant on the Rateable Value(RV) of the property than the amount of water used.


    I am in Severn Trent's area. Had I remained paying charges based on my RV I would have been paying £1,624pa. With two people in my house with average consumption(110 m3) includingSurface Water Drainage(SWD) charges I would be paying £392pa - actually I use a little less than average water consumption so pay about £340pa.


    It is worth pointing out that the RV valuation of properties is farcial. For a start most RV valuations in England and Wales took place in 1973 for properties built before that date; or up to April 1990 for properties build after 1973. In April 1990 RV ceased to exist and water meters became mandatory for new properties.


    The RV valuation is nothing to do with the value of a property or Council Tax bands. It was based on the notional rental value the property could command. Location, state of modernisation, and several other factors as well as size affected the RV. It is possible for large mansionswith grounds that were virtually derelict when last assessed to have a 'peppercorn' RV lower than a small estate semi. Who would want to rent a derelict mansion? Since the last valuation these mansions could have been completely modernised and are worth £millions but still retain their low RV for water charges.
    • Anonymous7
    • By Anonymous7 19th Feb 19, 3:42 PM
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    I would ask them to check for leaks too, I think they'll sometimes offer one free repair and a refund of the the money they'd charge you. I wouldn't just cancel your charges yourself but get in touch with them, they can sometimes freeze your account until you get sorted?
    • Anonymous7
    • By Anonymous7 19th Feb 19, 3:51 PM
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    ive been fighting united utilities since 2014 as they said ide be better having a meter put in as being single it will be cheaper so had meter put in in 2010 as ide had one before when living in n.wales and was paying £192 that was up to 2004 before i bought this 3 bed house then in cheshire i did not think it would be any dearer as im out to work 10 hrs a day and only have one shower 2 machine washers a week 3 toilet flushers a day 3 bowls of water that it so my bill has gone up from £284 in 2014 to £532 2015 £609 2016 £512 2- £649 2018 im paying more then any one in my area even familys with 3 and 4 people living in the same houses as my friend who lives up the road from me theres 3 of them and there only paying just over 345 pound now theyve come out united utilities looked at everthing i was doing and agree that seems a lot of water for one person they want 80 pound if i want them to take the meter out to check it working properly any ideas any one as goner block payment soon until they sort it out
    Originally posted by paul agnew

    I would ask them to check for leaks too, I think they'll sometimes offer one free repair and a refund of the the money they'd charge you. I wouldn't just cancel your charges yourself but get in touch with them, they can sometimes freeze your account until you get sorted?
    • gwalahad
    • By gwalahad 20th Feb 19, 10:16 AM
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    Just wanted to share my experience of moving to a water meter - which was a positive one.

    Firstly though as a side note, I was surprised to see the part about house prices. Iv'e not known anyone to really care if a meter is present or not, and everyone has always aimed to get one anyway. So i wouldn't expect any difference there.

    But anyway onto my main point.
    I bought my first house circa 2 years ago. a smallish 2 bed terrace. I knew from the moment I viewed it that as a single occupant I would be wanting a water meter as soon as I moved in, what I did not expect however was quite how insanely high the fixed price would be(for the 2 months I had it before meter was fitted)
    The figure I was using to budget was that my parents paid(metered) £50/m for 4 people in a large 5 bedroom house with a generous garden that get watered regularly. Thinking this will easily cover the fixed price Initially - I was wrong. Even with the breakdown on the bill stating that I was in the cheapest band and a small property so my bill was 'low' the figure was £80/m !
    So I went along with my plan to get a meter, they sent someone around to asses within 48h. Needed some minor plumbing work doing before they could get a meter fitted.

    Note that that is one thing that wasn't mentioned in the article either. You may need plumbing work doing !

    However this was only £75, a saving I could make back in just over a month(see my current price soon)
    Again water company were fast, I just had to call them when it was done and they sent someone out(within 48h again) to fit the meter. The 2 month delay was finding a plumber willing to do such a small job.
    The meter automatically feeds back readings, so I never need to submit anything or have anyone come to read it. They immediately put me on an estimated £25/m usage - with plans to re-asses after my usage became apparent.
    couple of months later they called me - checked my usage. Reduced my bill to £14/m refunded the £22 extra I have payed the previous two months.

    Been paying £14/m since. Down from £80...
    • keepingmymoney
    • By keepingmymoney 21st Feb 19, 8:30 AM
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    Making the most of your water
    My partner and I believe in saving our money now, so we don't have to scrimp in our old age - although by then this saving will be so ingrained that we will probably still be doing it !
    This is how we make the most of our water during the summer months. When we have had a bath (which we share because we have no shower) we throw in our dirty washing and leave it to soak overnight, the following morning wring out the clothes and put them on a short,quick wash settting. Next siphon the water out of the bath and into water buts for watering the gardening.
    I have to admit that this would be easier if we lived in a bungalow but its good to think we are saving money and we will have a beautiful garden in the summer months
    • Mishomeister
    • By Mishomeister 21st Feb 19, 12:58 PM
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    Moving to the house with the meter was one of the most financially expensive mistakes I have ever done.
    We are a family of 4 with 2 small toddlers. The dishwasher and the washing machine are used many times a day.
    Wish we have checked the meter was there.
    We are paying x3 more than in our previous place that gad no meter.
    • Caddyman
    • By Caddyman 22nd Feb 19, 6:16 PM
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    I bought my house brand new 16 years ago and we had no choice regarding a water meter as it was mandatory to fit them to new builds.

    There are only two of us in the house and we had the bath removed about 5 years ago when we had our bathroom completely renovated. I also changed our downstairs toilet for one with a cistern that uses less water. As for washing the car, we just take it up the local garage and jetwash it. In short, our annual water bill averages £240 a year.

    Last year, our local water company swapped out our meter for a smart meter, i.e. one that can be read from a van at the side of the road. At the end of the day, I'm not complaining, my Wife and I pay for the water we use. I realise this won't sit well with families who use a lot of water, but it really is only fair that people pay for the water they use, and this is what a meter will do, ensure people pay for what they are using.
    • FLEX24
    • By FLEX24 25th Feb 19, 9:47 PM
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    Water leaks
    Just googled 'check for water leak', plenty of self-help there.
    I'd look on the water companies websites.
    Just checked my house mains stopcock....cant turn it, tut!
    • Jami74
    • By Jami74 27th Mar 19, 9:27 AM
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    We (family of four) have started leaving our bath water in and using it to refill the toilet cistern after we flush, it means we get a couple of days a week where all our flushes are 'free'.

    It seems silly to let bath water down the drain but then use clean drinking water to flush our toilet and only takes an extra minute or two in the bathroom.

    Is there any reason why we shouldn't do this? It seems almost too easy for a biggish saving.
    Mature student 2011-2016
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 27th Mar 19, 10:53 AM
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    We (family of four) have started leaving our bath water in and using it to refill the toilet cistern after we flush, it means we get a couple of days a week where all our flushes are 'free'.

    It seems silly to let bath water down the drain but then use clean drinking water to flush our toilet and only takes an extra minute or two in the bathroom.

    Is there any reason why we shouldn't do this? It seems almost too easy for a biggish saving.
    Originally posted by Jami74

    The term for this is 'Grey Water' and some people have elaborate systems to reuse water from baths, washing machine, dishwasher etc
    • 2939andy
    • By 2939andy 27th Mar 19, 11:16 AM
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    Where are the FREEBIES
    I followed the link to "straight to the Freebies" - shallow I know! When I got there followed the link to complete the usage questionnaire - maybe not so shallow! Then proceeded to the link to get a Freebie and filled in my Postcode - only to get the message 'we don't recognise your post code' only then to end up back at the usage questionnaire.

    Must be me - isn't it 🤔
    • Alan Wednesday
    • By Alan Wednesday 27th Mar 19, 4:22 PM
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    Metered water bills
    By using rateable value and other guesstimates the water companies have been taking the mick for decades, the savings forumers report of hundreds apply to thousands of consumers. Isn't it about time for a campaign specifically to change Laws and stop this profiteering ? It is no longer enough to find individual savings when so many are being ripped off, especially through third party 'agency agreement' situations.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 28th Mar 19, 12:39 PM
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    By using rateable value and other guesstimates the water companies have been taking the mick for decades, the savings forumers report of hundreds apply to thousands of consumers. Isn't it about time for a campaign specifically to change Laws and stop this profiteering ? It is no longer enough to find individual savings when so many are being ripped off, especially through third party 'agency agreement' situations.
    Originally posted by Alan Wednesday

    Some people save by having Rateable Value charges.


    Whilst not defending Water Companies who make massive profits, you need to understand how water companies are funded before making accusations of 'profiteering'.


    As water companies have a monopoly for their area, their finances are strictly controlled by the Regulator(ofwat)


    In simplistic terms every company is allowed to raise £xxxmillion in revenue and make £yymillion profit provided they meet certain targets(leaks etc).



    Thus it doesn't matter to the water company how their revenue is raised they still can adjust other charges to raise the authorised amount. e.g. if, say, 10,000 customers got a meter and each saved £100pa(£1million) they would raise the £1million by raising other charges to compensate. A win/win situation.



    There are many Government websites on water company regulation; starting with this:


    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvfru/1041/1041.pdf
    • Pooh_Bear
    • By Pooh_Bear 16th Aug 19, 6:36 AM
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    Check all toilet cisterns and ensure that when they have filled:



    1. The inlet shuts completely and doesn't slowly drip water into the cistern.


    2. The outlet doesn't slowly drip water into the bowl, resulting in the cistern refilling repeatedly.


    3. Modern syphon units usually allow you to adjust the cistern fill point. Can you reduce the volume of water used for a "full" cistern?


    4. Don't forget, if you have one, the cold water tank in the roof.



    Small drips may seem insignificant but at 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, they add up to a lot of water.


    When we moved house 3 years ago, I thought our metered bills and useage was rather high - mainly because we had moved from a metered house and I knew how much water we normally used. I finally realised one of our cisters was refilling 4 or 5 times a day without having been flushed! Checked all our toilets/cisterns - replaced one syphone completely, cleaned the valves on the other two, reduced the fill volume on all 3.


    Cut our water consumption by 25%!
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