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    • aardvaak
    • By aardvaak 19th Sep 19, 10:15 PM
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    Abandoning a house
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    • 19th Sep 19, 10:15 PM
    Abandoning a house 19th Sep 19 at 10:15 PM
    My house which I own outright is very large 4000 sq ft part 17 cent. it is a nightmare to heat as no central heating and hot water it leaks water from the roof and loads of water pipes, threadbare carpets and lots of fused lights, full of clutter.

    I have had enough and plan to abandon it to whatever - can anyone stop me - tough if they can.
    Last edited by aardvaak; 19-09-2019 at 10:39 PM.
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 20th Sep 19, 10:58 AM
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    It is not listed it is mine surely I can do what I like with it including taking a bulldozer to it if I could be bothered
    Originally posted by aardvaak
    You would need consent from the planning dept. to demolish - That will cost. The rubble & waste would then need to be disposed of - More cost.

    If you just "abandon" the property, the local authority will still want council tax, and may well consider it a second home - 150% or more depending on area.
    The utility companies will want their standing charges paid, so yet more costs.

    If this place really is a mill stone around your neck, get in contact with an estate agent with the view to putting it in an auction. Even filled to the brim with "stuff", someone will buy.
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    • aardvaak
    • By aardvaak 20th Sep 19, 12:04 PM
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    You would need consent from the planning dept. to demolish - That will cost. The rubble & waste would then need to be disposed of - More cost.

    If you just "abandon" the property, the local authority will still want council tax, and may well consider it a second home - 150% or more depending on area.
    The utility companies will want their standing charges paid, so yet more costs.

    If this place really is a mill stone around your neck, get in contact with an estate agent with the view to putting it in an auction. Even filled to the brim with "stuff", someone will buy.
    Originally posted by FreeBear

    Thank you for your reply, I have said earlier that I still intend to pay the council tax as I might live in a caravan on site or in of my buildings.


    Do I really need PP to demolish I thought that was only if I was to rebuild. Surely if I was silly enough just to demolish which did cross my mind the local authority my not give PP to rebuild
    • aardvaak
    • By aardvaak 20th Sep 19, 12:08 PM
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    Thank you all for your replies it has given me a lot of food for thought and that I may still have a value.

    However I don't mind living on the site (it's the house I hate) and may live in a caravan my original thought to abandon the house and was asking if I could, if I sell the house I may not be able to stay in the caravan
    • stragglebod
    • By stragglebod 20th Sep 19, 12:28 PM
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    Maybe not, but you'd probably be able to buy a smaller house that you like and is easier to maintain.
    • snowcat75
    • By snowcat75 20th Sep 19, 12:29 PM
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    I thought only rented props., could be condemned
    Originally posted by aardvaak
    No, structural integrity will condemn a property (in the eyes of the insurance)..

    It is often cheaper to bowl a property over that's in a state than refurbish (not always), not only do new builds have the unexpected by also all the VAT can be reclaimed...

    You would be foolish to demolish a property completely as it will keep the land live as dwelling and far more valuable.

    There are steps you can take to have the property empty and remove it from council tax etc, This can serve some advantage in the future as again a dwelling that's not been lived in (with proof) for 9 years iirc can be eligible for a VAT reclaim to convert it back to a dwelling.

    I have some experience with this, but rules do change so id actually spend a couple of hundred quid talking to a rural planning specialist (accorus springs to mind) on the best steps to take.
    • naf123
    • By naf123 20th Sep 19, 12:29 PM
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    getting Planning to demolish shouldn't cost much. Get a quote from a demolish company - they might take care of the whole process for one price?

    However even if you demolish, you need security for the land - last thing you want is travellors turning up and making your land their home.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 20th Sep 19, 12:34 PM
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    Most of those have Plan. Perm.
    Originally posted by aardvaak
    You are just looking for any excuse to do nothing.

    If you look there is a wide verity of sites that are getting new planning, that makes them worth a bit more but not that much if they already were residential

    Yours has a house so would get planning for a replacement on the same footprint or a refurb job using some of the existing structure.

    A developer would know if the site could be developed further.

    A little bit of research would tell you what is getting approved beyond like for like in your area if there is space.


    If you think a house is hard to heat wait till you have had a winter in a caravan.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 20th Sep 19, 12:39 PM
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    The fact is you don't have permission to live in a caravan there now, somebody would notice/say at some point and you'd get a visit.

    Selling the house would mean you can't stay in the caravan, but staying in the caravan and abandoning the house doesn't make the inevitable go away: The Council will know, they will find out, they will come a'knocking.
    • naf123
    • By naf123 20th Sep 19, 12:45 PM
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    I think your best option would be to find a developer (especially if the land is big) to redevelop the land and give you an apartment and free service charge for life within the complex plus some money - and he can then sell off the remaining flats to to other people.
    Last edited by naf123; 20-09-2019 at 12:51 PM.
    • aardvaak
    • By aardvaak 20th Sep 19, 1:09 PM
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    You are just looking for any excuse to do nothing.

    If you look there is a wide verity of sites that are getting new planning, that makes them worth a bit more but not that much if they already were residential

    Yours has a house so would get planning for a replacement on the same footprint or a refurb job using some of the existing structure.

    A developer would know if the site could be developed further.

    A little bit of research would tell you what is getting approved beyond like for like in your area if there is space.


    If you think a house is hard to heat wait till you have had a winter in a caravan.
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    Thank you for your reply.


    If you think a house is hard to heat wait till you have had a winter in a caravan


    I have to admit someone who had lived in a caravan did tell me this
    • ka7e
    • By ka7e 20th Sep 19, 1:17 PM
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    I can sympathise that living in a house you consider a liability can cause anxiety and depression. I lived in my previous house for 35 years and it had deteriorated and was cluttered with my husband's collected (hoarded) stuff. When he developed dementia I despaired of ever getting it cleared and in a saleable state. I became very depressed, lots of tears and even had a few panic attacks.


    I contacted a local auction house and a lovely chap came and started to sort through some of the stuff, catalogued it and took it away to auction. Some bits were quite valuable and were put into collector's and antique sales, the dross went into general sales and the cheques started rolling in! I sold or gave away some real rubbish through Facebook marketplace - broken chairs, mismatched crockery, chipped paving slabs - lots of people are into recyclng and upcycling stuff nowadays. A local estate agent valued the house and it was put on the market, warts and all. It took nearly 6 months to get a sale, but in the end I had several offers. I had to organise everything myself and felt quite overwhelmed at times, but managed to get our belongings packed up and moved to a new home in June. The relief at being in a smaller, warm, structurally sound home has lifted all the weight off my shoulders and I'm happier than I've been in years. Life isn't perfect, but I'm much better able to cope nowadays.

    So, it can be done, it's just really hard to get the impetus to start the process. Maybe seeing a GP could help - anxiety about the house might seem more manageable if you can medicate the depression. It could give you a fresh perspective on how to proceed. I don't think your house can be anything but an asset, a means to an end to get better accommodation and hopefully some peace of mind.
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    • Baglioni1
    • By Baglioni1 20th Sep 19, 9:10 PM
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    • General Applause
    • By General Applause 21st Sep 19, 4:15 PM
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    If you want rid that badly, get in touch. I'll give you 100 for it
    Originally posted by Rusty Shackleton

    Don't just accept the first offer, I will go to 200.
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 21st Sep 19, 4:26 PM
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    Don't just accept the first offer, I will go to 200.
    Originally posted by General Applause
    250 from me! And you can have a caravan.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • marlot
    • By marlot 21st Sep 19, 4:27 PM
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    My house which I own outright is very large 4000 sq ft part 17 cent. it is a nightmare to heat as no central heating and hot water it leaks water from the roof and loads of water pipes, threadbare carpets and lots of fused lights, full of clutter.

    I have had enough and plan to abandon it to whatever - can anyone stop me - tough if they can.
    Originally posted by aardvaak
    Sell it as a building plot.

    There's no VAT on new builds, so they can be cheaper than refurbishing.

    Lots of people are looking for self-build plots.
    • Mistral001
    • By Mistral001 22nd Sep 19, 11:10 PM
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    If the house was abandoned, officialdom will not be interested in it, however petty criminals, drug addicts and travellers might be interested in it. The OP living on the site in a caravan might not deter these people from using the house for their own purposes.
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