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    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 22nd Jul 19, 2:52 PM
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    Can I post a passport to the US?
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    Can I post a passport to the US? 22nd Jul 19 at 2:52 PM
    My son is a dual US/UK citizen and has travelled to the US two days ago but forgot to take his UK passport.

    I have found his passport at home. Can I post it to him to the US? He will only need it when he comes back and needs to go through UK customs. Or Shall I hold onto it?
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    • eDicky
    • By eDicky 22nd Jul 19, 3:10 PM
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    Nothing to stop you mailing it other than chance of loss, tracked courier would be better.
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    I'd hold on to it.
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 22nd Jul 19, 3:52 PM
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    I don't think there will be a problem for your son to travel back without their UK passport.

    A UK citizen doesn't officially need a passport to enter the UK, all they need to do is to be able to satisfy the immigration staff of their right to enter the country. A copy of their UK passport along with their USA passport (to prove their identity) should be good enough for this, so why not send a scanned copy?

    Also, an American citizen doesn't normally need a visa to enter the UK so I can't think of any reason why there should be any difficulty.
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    US citizens can now use the e gates so unless there is an problem he will not need to speak to an immigration officer.
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    • By Browntoa 22nd Jul 19, 4:04 PM
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    • 22nd Jul 19, 4:04 PM
    Meet him at the airport on the way back , if any problems you are just outside in arrivals with it in emergency
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    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 22nd Jul 19, 4:53 PM
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    My concern is he can enter the UK but he will enter as a US citizen and therefore he has only right to remain for 6 months.
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 22nd Jul 19, 5:29 PM
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    My concern is he can enter the UK but he will enter as a US citizen and therefore he has only right to remain for 6 months.
    Originally posted by bigpappa

    But he's still a UK citizen! Are you afraid they'll deport him after six months?
    • eDicky
    • By eDicky 22nd Jul 19, 5:35 PM
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    My concern is he can enter the UK but he will enter as a US citizen and therefore he has only right to remain for 6 months.
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    No, his UK citizenship and permanent right to reside is not lost by entering with other passport.

    You could send him a photo of his UK passport data page by WhatsApp, in case it's useful. No point to the expense of sending the actual passport.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 22nd Jul 19, 5:47 PM
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    He'll not be stuck on the wrong side of the barrier, or the Pond, without it.
    Royal Mail International Tracked & Signed will be about 12 & you're covered up to 250 for loss or damage.

    Frankly, since he can get home fine without it (& might possibly lose it out there anyway), I'd hang onto it as he doesn't need it.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 22nd Jul 19, 6:33 PM
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    My concern is he can enter the UK but he will enter as a US citizen and therefore he has only right to remain for 6 months.
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    But he's still a UK citizen! Are you afraid they'll deport him after six months?
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    No, his UK citizenship and permanent right to reside is not lost by entering with other passport.
    Originally posted by eDicky
    He wouldn't lose his right to stay in the UK when entering on a US passport but there may still be a problem in the future.
    If he enters the country solely on the basis of his US passport, it will be stamped accordingly (or recorded if he uses the eGate) allowing him to stay for 6 months.
    If he doesn't then leave the country (again, on his US passport) within this time, he could well be flagged up as an overstayer.

    Although this shouldn't have any repercussions should the border agency investigate as he could prove his legal right to be here, it could still mean a bit of unneeded work.

    Just send your son a copy of his UK passport and the immigration officials can easily use the details from that along with his US passport to show that he has full right of entry and abode in the UK.
    • benjus
    • By benjus 23rd Jul 19, 9:26 AM
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    He wouldn't lose his right to stay in the UK when entering on a US passport but there may still be a problem in the future.
    If he enters the country solely on the basis of his US passport, it will be stamped accordingly (or recorded if he uses the eGate) allowing him to stay for 6 months.
    If he doesn't then leave the country (again, on his US passport) within this time, he could well be flagged up as an overstayer.

    Although this shouldn't have any repercussions should the border agency investigate as he could prove his legal right to be here, it could still mean a bit of unneeded work.

    Just send your son a copy of his UK passport and the immigration officials can easily use the details from that along with his US passport to show that he has full right of entry and abode in the UK.
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    I think the risk of being flagged as an overstayer is extremely low, considering that the UK's exit immigration system is something of a joke. They have only a vague idea of which people that entered the country are still here.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/an-inspection-of-exit-checks
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 23rd Jul 19, 2:40 PM
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    I think the risk of being flagged as an overstayer is extremely low,
    Originally posted by benjus
    I agree, but however low, the risk is still there.
    Considering that this risk can be totally eliminated by simply having proof of being a UK citizen (such as a copy of a UK passport), I still it would be wise to carry a copy.

    The OP's son may be unlucky and be one of the people who does get flagged up as overstaying and has problems sometime in the future because of it.
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 23rd Jul 19, 7:21 PM
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    I think the risk of falling foul of the Hostile Environment though small is still larger than the risk of getting the passport lost if it is sent by Intl registered Mail.

    Now the irony would be if I sent it to him and he lost it on his holidays!
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 23rd Jul 19, 8:53 PM
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    I think the risk of falling foul of the Hostile Environment though small is still larger than the risk of getting the passport lost if it is sent by Intl registered Mail.

    Now the irony would be if I sent it to him and he lost it on his holidays!
    Originally posted by bigpappa

    Sorry - what "Hostile Environment" are you referring to? Hostile to Americans?


    EDIT: If there's a subsequently a problem about entering the country on a US passport, all he needs to do is to present his UK passport. (Good reason to keep it safe). May involve some inconvenience, but not so much as losing his UK passport in the mail - or it not arriving in time.
    Last edited by Manxman in exile; 23-07-2019 at 9:12 PM. Reason: addition
    • eamon
    • By eamon 23rd Jul 19, 9:08 PM
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    As of tomorrow and BoJo in charge expect visas US citizens to be abolished.
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 13th Aug 19, 6:31 PM
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    Who would have thought sending a passport is prohibited by most courier services.

    UPS and the courier brokers will not accept a passport. I called up Parcel Force and they said it's ok to send it but will cost 33.50.

    Intl Recorded and signed for does not guarantee delivery! So even though its about 10 that's out of the question.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 13th Aug 19, 11:24 PM
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    I think the risk of falling foul of the Hostile Environment though small is still larger than the risk of getting the passport lost if it is sent by Intl registered Mail.

    Now the irony would be if I sent it to him and he lost it on his holidays!
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    He's already in the 'hostile environment' of Trump's America, as long as he gets out of there in one piece he'll be doing well.
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    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 13th Aug 19, 11:27 PM
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    Who would have thought sending a passport is prohibited by most courier services.

    UPS and the courier brokers will not accept a passport. I called up Parcel Force and they said it's ok to send it but will cost 33.50.

    Intl Recorded and signed for does not guarantee delivery! So even though its about 10 that's out of the question.
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    I don't think 33.50 is too bad for such an important document. How much would it cost you to travel to the airport so you're there for his return with the passport should he have any problems at immigration? More or less than 33.50?
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    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 14th Aug 19, 10:21 AM
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    I don't think 33.50 is too bad for such an important document. How much would it cost you to travel to the airport so you're there for his return with the passport should he have any problems at immigration? More or less than 33.50?
    Originally posted by peachyprice
    I decided to go with Parcel Force Direct for 33.50 even though brokers charge 16 for the identical service using Parcel Force.

    The brokers said even though the service is identical we cannot send passports if you book through us and use the identical parcel force service.
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