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CEL Claim Form - Advice on Defence Please

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  • Berribear
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    So you haven't bothered to read post #2 of the NEWBIES thread then.

    I'm out. Your posts don't even read like a genuine newbie.

    I didn't mean to cause offence Coupon-mad. I am a genuine newbie and only joined this evening after receiving the claim form in the post today. Again I apologise if I haven't read everything I should, it's just there's an awful lot to take in and I'm not yet familiar with navigation of this site yet.

    I guess it's just a case of taking time to read as much as I can to help generate my defence, I was sincerely hoping the good folk on this site would help me along with it

    Best Wishes BB
  • Berribear
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    I hope you can help by reviewing my CEL defence before I submit it

    I've added some information to it at the end about the late receipt of POC which I hope is correct??

    By the way I the acknowledgement of service arrived with the claim form and not the POC so I've added some info about that, which I hope is correct??

    It would be a great help if you could help and check the content is correct especially the bit about the CPR Rules

    Thanks for your support:-



    "In the County Court Business Centre
    Between:
    Civil Enforcement Limited
    V
    XXXXXXXXXXX




    Claim Number: XXXXXXXX




    I, XXXXXXXXXXXXX, deny I am liable to the Claimant for the entirety of the claim for each of the following reasons:
    The Claim Form issued on 10/10/2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited was not correctly filed under The Practice Direction as it was not signed by a legal person but signed by “Civil Enforcement Limited”.

    This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol (as outlined in the new Pre Action Protocol for Debt Claims, 1 October 2017). As an example as to why this prevents a full defence being filed at this time, a parking charge can be for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter, and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant.


    There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction.

    This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing a large number of identical 'draft particulars'. The badly mail-merged documents contain very little information.

    The Schedule of information is sparse of detailed information.

    The Claim Form Particulars were extremely sparse and divulged no cause of action nor sufficient detail. The Defendant has no idea what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information.
    The Claim Form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs. These documents, and the ‘Letter before County Court Claim’ should have been produced, pursuant to paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction – Pre Action Conduct. This constitutes a deliberate attempt to thwart any efforts to defend the claim or to “take stock”, pursuant to paragraph 12 of the Practice Direction. Again, this totally contradicts the guidance outlined in the new Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (2017), the aims of which are:
    ‘early engagement and communication between the parties, including early exchange of sufficient information about the matter to help clarify whether there are any issues in dispute
    enable the parties to resolve the matter without the need to start court proceedings, including agreeing a reasonable repayment plan or considering using an Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) procedure
    encourage the parties to act in a reasonable and proportionate manner in all dealings with one another (for example, avoiding running up costs which do not bear a reasonable relationship to the sums in issue) and
    support the efficient management of proceedings that cannot be avoided.’

    The Defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as disclosing no cause of action and having no reasonable prospect of success as currently drafted.

    Alternatively, the Defendant asks that the Claimant is required to file Particulars which comply with Practice Directions and include at least the following information;
    Whether the matter is being brought for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge, and an explanation as to the exact nature of the charge
    A copy of any contract it is alleged was in place (e.g. copies of signage)
    How any contract was concluded (if by performance, then copies of signage maps in place at the time)
    Whether keeper liability is being claimed, and if so copies of any Notice to Driver / Notice to Keeper
    Whether the Claimant is acting as Agent or Principal, together with a list of documents they will rely on in this matter
    If charges over and above the initial charge are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed
    If Interest charges are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed.

    Once these Particulars have been filed, the Defendant asks for reasonable time to file another defence.

    The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Absent such a notice served within 14 days of the parking event and with fully compliant statutory wording, this Claimant is unable to hold me liable under the strict ‘keeper liability’ provisions.

    Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for (if Schedule 4 is fully complied with, which it was not, and if there was a 'relevant obligation' and relevant contract' fairly and adequately communicated, which there was not) is the sum on the Notice to Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when it is believed that neither the signs, nor any NTK mentioned a possible additional £149.66 for outstanding debt and damages.

    The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated and the particulars of claim are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 'legal representative’s (or even admin) costs’ were incurred.
    This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. As far as I can ascertain, based upon the very vague particulars of claim and complete lack of evidence and photographs, and without having been furnished with the alleged signage 'contract', none of this applies in this material case.

    In the absence of any proof of adequate signage that contractually bound the Defendant then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case.
    The Claimant is put to strict proof that at the time of the alleged event they had both advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs.
    In the absence of strict proof I submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered into between the driver and the Claimant.
    Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    Sporadic and illegible (charge not prominent nor large lettering) of site/entrance signage - breach of the POFA 2012 Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice and no contract formed to pay any clearly stated sum.
    It is believed the signage was not lit and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in requiring a huge inflated sum as 'compensation' from by an authorised party using the premises as intended.
    No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there was no offer known nor accepted. No consideration flowed from the Claimant.
    The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which cannot form part of any alleged contract.
    BPA CoP breaches - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    the signs were not compliant in terms of the font size, lighting or positioning.
    the sum pursued exceeds £100.
    there is / was no compliant landowner contract.

    No standing - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    It is believed Civil Enforcement do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in the name of the landowner.

    The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal damages.

    The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim.

    Due to the length of time, the Defendant has little to no recollection of the day in question. It would not be reasonable to expect a registered keeper to be able to recall the potential driver(s) of the car over 10 months later. In any case, there is no such obligation in law and this was confirmed in the POPLA Annual Report 2015 by parking expert barrister and Lead Adjudicator, Henry Greenslade, who also clarified the fact that registered keeper can only be held liable under the POFA Schedule 4 and not by presumption or any other legal argument.


    The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the Court to note that the Claimant has:
    Failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on 10th October 2017.

    Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation.


    The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. Furthermore, the claimant has not adhered to the Civil Procedure Rules,as follows:-

    The Claimant failed to serve the further Particulars of Claim in the correct time frame PoC under Rule 7.4(1)(b), The Claimant should have served the POC by the 29th October, but they were not served until the 30th October, which can be proved by the postal date on the envelope. Rules 3.8 and 3.9 require the Claimant to apply for relief from sanctions, but they did not.

    The Claimant also incorrectly sent the acknowledge of service with the Claim Form, when it should have been sent with the Particulars of Claim. As the claimant has not adhered to the Civil Procedure Rules, I will be asking the court to strike out the claim under its case management powers contained in Rule 3

    The court is invited to strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of success.

    I confirm that the above facts and statements are true to the best of my knowledge and recollection.
  • Loadsofchildren123
    Loadsofchildren123 Posts: 2,504 Forumite
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    edited 31 October 2017 at 2:52PM
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    You have 14 days from service of the new PoC to file this defence. That's the date of posting plus one day (if that was a Saturday it's the next working day).

    If they were 1 day late with the further PoC I'm not sure I'd bother making a meal out of it.

    The more important point is this - what date was on the PoC and the covering letter? If they've been backdated you need to tell them and the court the day they were actually served and complain vigorously about the backdating. And make it clear that time runs for your defence from the date of ACTUAL service (and say what you calculate this date to be). Include a copy of the post mark on the envelope showing date of postage.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • Berribear
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    Date of both POC and POC covering letter is 11th October. The postmark date is 27th October, so it has been backdated?


    What's the best way to complain, by email? If so is there template complaint letter I can alter and send....I think I may have seen one, but I've searched through so much information, I can't remember where it is. Would it be possible to post a link to it.


    Thanks for your help
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    Yes, of course it has been backdated. Post doesnt take 2 weeks to arrive!

    You send an email to the CCBC, or ring them up. It isnt a complaint letter to the court, you are stating the facts - that the PoC did NOT arrive within 14 days, and that they arrived on date X
  • Loadsofchildren123
    Loadsofchildren123 Posts: 2,504 Forumite
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    edited 31 October 2017 at 1:30PM
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    I have written it several times. I just don't have time to search my own posts and do the work for you. I'm busy enough as it is! Try searching my posts over the last week (which is what I'd do to find the relevant post).

    Yes to having been backdated. If posted on 27th it's deemed served yesterday (30th). So your defence must be filed by 13th Nov (if by email on that day, if posting you must post it the Friday before as that's a Monday).

    You must tell the court about the backdating otherwise they will think PoC served 12 Oct and your defence due 26 Oct!

    What was the day on your claim form so I can see how late your PoC were served? I think you should ask the court to reject the PoC without CEL applying for permission for the late filing/service under rule 3.8/3.9.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • Berribear
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    The date on the Claim Form is 10th October
  • Loadsofchildren123
    Loadsofchildren123 Posts: 2,504 Forumite
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    edited 31 October 2017 at 1:23PM
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    PoC not out of time according to my calculations (date of claim +5 days +14 days = 29 October (becomes 30th as that's next working day).
    The backdating is relevant to when your defence is due - 14 days after service - because this is a Saturday you go to the next working day, so 13 November.

    Write to CEL and court to record actual date of service (30 Oct), to complain about the deliberate backdating, and to say that this means your defence is due on 13 Nov. I'd copy that to the court as well. This will prevent them trying to claim you are late and getting a default judgment.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • Berribear
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    Thanks for the info LoC.


    Okay, here is my complaint letter that will be sent to CBBC and CEL:-


    31st October 2017

    Dear XXXXX


    Regarding Claim Form XXXXI am writing to complain that the Claimant have deliberately backdated the Of Claim

    The Claim form was issued on 10th October, stating that the Particulars of Claim would be provided to me within 14 days after service of the claim form

    The further Particulars of Claim and covering letter were dated the 11th October, but not actually posted until the 27th October and received on the 28th October, a Saturday, meaning service was on the 30th October and my defense is therefore not due until the 13th November

    A poor attempt was made to conceal this breach by the Particulars of Claim and the covering letter being backdated 11 October, whereas they were only posted on the 27th October and received on 28th October. The post mark on the envelope clearly shows the date of posting as 27th October, a copy of which I have provided as evidence

    The Civil Procedure Rules are quite clear - under Rule 3.8 the court should apply the sanctions unless the Claimant has applied for relief under 3.9.

    This is a commercial Claimant pursuing many other claims of this nature. It must therefore have knowledge of, and understand, the Civil Procedure Rules and these sorts of blatant breaches should not be allowed because they prejudice Litigants in Person who are not versed in court procedures and the court rules.


    Yours Faithfully
  • Berribear
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    Once I've done that, I'll submit my defence, please could you review my defence at Post #13 and tell me if it reads okay?
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