Been an idiot and need help claiming HR Tax Allowance!

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  • Brynsam
    Brynsam Posts: 3,643 Forumite
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    zagfles wrote: »
    Maybe, but OP needs to check, rather than assuming.

    Of course he does - but raising his hopes by saying that GPPs and relief at source are 'much less common' than taking deductions from pre-tax pay isn't helpful.
  • zagfles
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    Brynsam wrote: »
    Of course he does - but raising his hopes by saying that GPPs and relief at source are 'much less common' than taking deductions from pre-tax pay isn't helpful.
    How does that "raise his hopes", it lowers them, he'll only get a tax refund if it was a RAS scheme.
  • chucknorris
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    I don't understand how he has lost out, was his employer taxing him on his gross (which was not reduced by his pension contributions), so also any additional income (interest, rent etc) would also not have benefited because his gross salary was not reduced.
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  • zagfles
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    chucknorris wrote: »
    I don't understand how he has lost out, was his employer taxing him on his gross (which was not reduced by his pension contributions), so also any additional income (interest, rent etc) would also not have benefited because his gross salary was not reduced.
    If he was a higher rate taxpayer and he paid into a RAS scheme, then he's lost out on higher rate relief if he didn't declare it on his tax return.

    We have yet to establish if it was actually a RAS scheme, where conts are deducted after tax, or what HMRC confusingly refer to as a "net pay" scheme where conts are taken before tax thus giving full relief in the payslip.
  • enthusiasticsaver
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    As others have said it depends on how your pension payments were deducted. If on PAYE you would already get the HR tax relief so there may not be any claim to answer. If it is relief at source then I guess you will need to complete a self assessment form and go back as many years as possible.
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  • chucknorris
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    enthusiasticsaver wrote: »
    As others have said it depends on how your pension payments were deducted. If on PAYE you would already get the HR tax relief so there may not be any claim to answer. If it is relief at source then I guess you will need to complete a self assessment form and go back as many years as possible.

    I see now, I didn't realise that he had not been filling in tax returns. You should have seen the look on my friend's face when I said to him 'But surely you must submit a tax return every year. Otherwise how are you telling the Inland Revenue about the additional interest on all those millions'?

    He worked full time, but had won about £6m gambling, but he had not been declaring the interest, which should have been taxed at 40%.
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  • Triumph13
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    Dox wrote: »
    That used to be the case, but the post-tax salary route is now much more common, given how few occupational schemes (final salary or money purchase) are left.
    I'm cleary getting old!
    I'm not doubting you, but does anyone have any figures on this? My impression was that most large employers still used the net pay method so it would be interesting to see which method was most common both in terms of number of schemes and number of members.
  • zagfles
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    chucknorris wrote: »
    I see now, I didn't realise that he had not been filling in tax returns.
    He does do tax returns. He said so in his OP. But he hadn't been claiming tax relief on his pension conts. Whether he should have or not is what we're discussing!
  • Rodders2409
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    Many, many thanks & sorry for the delayed responses, as I'm working away and connectivity is a problem here.

    I'm obviously going to need to get out previous Pay Slips etc when I get home, and find out what was being paid / contributed before the switch to Sal Sac two years ago.

    I'll be back soon
  • Brynsam
    Brynsam Posts: 3,643 Forumite
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    zagfles wrote: »
    How does that "raise his hopes", it lowers them, he'll only get a tax refund if it was a RAS scheme.

    If contributions had been deducted from gross pay, OP will already have received higher rate tax relief - so won't have 'missed a trick', as he puts it.

    It it was a RAS scheme, as OP points out, he can't claim higher rate relief for all the years he has been making contributions.
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