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    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 19th Jul 18, 10:10 AM
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    Honour in NI's Politicians?
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    • 19th Jul 18, 10:10 AM
    Honour in NI's Politicians? 19th Jul 18 at 10:10 AM
    Hi All,

    In light of the latest political scandal involving Ian Paisley who is showing no signs of resigning, I wonder if our local politicians have any honour? It is rare for one to resign when their standards fall short of parliamentary requirements, why is this the case?

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    • guiriman
    • By guiriman 26th Jul 18, 10:39 AM
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    And those who vote for them.
    Originally posted by BigAl94

    So you think the 539,000 people who voted for them in the last general election should be wiped from existence?!
    • BigAl94
    • By BigAl94 26th Jul 18, 2:03 PM
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    The province would be a better place without religious bigots and terrorist sympathisers.
    • guiriman
    • By guiriman 26th Jul 18, 2:38 PM
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    I agree, but it's a pretty broad brush to apply to everyone who votes for them
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 26th Jul 18, 3:43 PM
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    It's largely the fault of a flawed political system where the electorate believes a vote for people like these is justified.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • Zola.
    • By Zola. 26th Jul 18, 8:13 PM
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    Its a vote for X to keep out Y

    BORING
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 26th Jul 18, 10:49 PM
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    Its a vote for X to keep out Y

    BORING
    Originally posted by Zola.
    Y always seems to get in too. I have only once voted for someone who got elected.
    • donnac2558
    • By donnac2558 27th Jul 18, 7:33 AM
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    I always give the no-hopers a vote. Yes, I know there is no chance they will get in but feel, to hell with it
    The last election I did hear a woman in the early 30s state she had to vote for the DUP as they were the only ones who could stand up to Sein Fein! I didn't know whether I should laugh or not?
    • BigAl94
    • By BigAl94 27th Jul 18, 7:59 AM
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    The last election I did hear a woman in the early 30s state she had to vote for the DUP as they were the only ones who could stand up to Sein Fein! I didn't know whether I should laugh or not?
    Originally posted by donnac2558
    That appears to be a widely held view and the sole reason many apparently otherwise sane people vote for the DUP. More proof that our electoral system is deeply flawed..
    • guiriman
    • By guiriman 27th Jul 18, 8:26 AM
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    Can agree with that on Westminster election. If you look at Assembly election last year vs Westminster nearly 70,000 less first preference votes for DUP and 14,000 less for Sinn Fein. For Westminster when there's only two who can win it I'll vote for the one I'm more aligned with, doesn't mean I agree with all their policies though
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 27th Jul 18, 11:38 AM
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    Can agree with that on Westminster election. If you look at Assembly election last year vs Westminster nearly 70,000 less first preference votes for DUP and 14,000 less for Sinn Fein. For Westminster when there's only two who can win it I'll vote for the one I'm more aligned with, doesn't mean I agree with all their policies though
    Originally posted by guiriman
    DUP don't stand in Fermanagh South Tyrone in Westminster, also their supporters vote tactically in places such as South Down and Foyle to curb Sinn Fein.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 27th Jul 18, 5:28 PM
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    So what are the chances of tactical voting to depose the Freebie Presbyterian?
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • markvincent
    • By markvincent 28th Jul 18, 2:03 PM
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    I used to vote DUP but no more, not until they get rid of this clown Paisley.
    • markvincent
    • By markvincent 28th Jul 18, 3:31 PM
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    This latest scandal with Paisley is just the tip of the iceberg, i used to vote DUP but not anymore,
    while this ejit Paisley is in the party the DUP are going to lose votes.
    How can the DUP have any credibilty and point the finger at others while Paisley is still representing the party to the public.
    • RikM
    • By RikM 29th Jul 18, 8:34 AM
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    This latest scandal with Paisley is just the tip of the iceberg, i used to vote DUP but not anymore,
    while this ejit Paisley is in the party the DUP are going to lose votes.
    How can the DUP have any credibilty and point the finger at others while Paisley is still representing the party to the public.
    Originally posted by markvincent
    Yeah, it only takes one of them actually being caught at it to destroy their "credibility"...
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 29th Jul 18, 9:19 AM
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    Well, I see some duppies enjoyed a jolly to Jerusalem, where they were doubtless treated to a considered and balanced exposition of the problems in the Middle East. Without declaring it of course.

    I've never understood this dup enthusiasm for Israel. Surely as a fundamentalist Christian you believe the Jews have got it fairly seriously wrong? Why not feel a stronger affinity with the many Palestinian Christians?
    Politically, how can you sympathize with a system that has expelled the locals to make way for those who believe they have greater claim on their farms and houses over some flimsy justification from hundreds of years ago. All financed by hothead sympathizers in New York, who see no inconsistency with their own occupation of Native American territory. Seems to me they'd be more justified in backing the Palestinians.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • JoseChungsDoomsday
    • By JoseChungsDoomsday 29th Jul 18, 10:32 AM
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    I'll start with the usual nonsense - I'm from a unionist background etc etc but I can wholeheartedly admit that the current NI state is solely designed to benefit politicians and their donors/associates.

    High brow, "principled" MLAs like the greens, UUP, SDLP and alliance still happily take their salary even though they've done nothing in a year. I'll not take the 'still doing office work' line as an excuse. They're riding this train as much as anyone.

    DUP - dark brexit money (which they kept about £10k of as a thank you), RHI, Red sky, Paisley (don't forget he runs a consulting company with Donaldson), b*lls deep in hard brexit/post truth politics. Keeping the Tories from making any movement to get Stormont working as it'll put them in the hard spot of actually doing something about how brexit will impact us.

    SF - Irish language is their excuse for also not wanting stormont back. Like the DUP, they see brexit as a vote winner. Let the Tories do their worse and reap the benefits (just like Labour in GB). In the pockets of the GAA and still using conflict language.

    The problem we have is post GFA politics has become a craeer. Things weren't perfect with the last generation of politicians but when it came to the crunch they put their money where their mouths were. Impossible to see any politican in NI ever doing that now.

    So no, we don't have any honest politicians. We have weak, career driven stooges.

    We also don't have any talented politicians either.. but that goes for most english speaking countries.
    Last edited by JoseChungsDoomsday; 29-07-2018 at 10:35 AM.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 29th Jul 18, 11:21 AM
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    Surely as a fundamentalist Christian you believe the Jews have got it fairly seriously wrong?
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    Whilst not carried out in the name of Christianity the world had a holocaust to contend with because people peddled the same perverse tune that you do.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 29th Jul 18, 11:32 AM
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    Whilst not carried out in the name of Christianity the world had a holocaust to contend with because people peddled the same perverse tune that you do.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    No. Looked at rationally either you believe your religion or you don't. My comment has nothing to do with any belief of mine. Isn't it odd that fundamentalist Christians attempt to ally themselves with those who dismiss that religion? What's their attitude to Palestinian Christians? Some incongruity here? There's a perverse tune.
    Last edited by qwert yuiop; 29-07-2018 at 11:37 AM.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • eamon
    • By eamon 29th Jul 18, 1:53 PM
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    Its amusing and sad to look occasionally at NI politics. Past events continue to dominate the present. A means needs to be found to address and solve that conundrum. As for policies it used to be difficult to find any from the DUP and UUP, having just read the DUP 2017 election manifesto it would seem that they have learned from the SDLP & SF andfound some.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 30th Jul 18, 11:22 AM
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    qwert yuiop
    Its amusing and sad to look occasionally at NI politics. Past events continue to dominate the present. A means needs to be found to address and solve that conundrum. As for policies it used to be difficult to find any from the DUP and UUP, having just read the DUP 2017 election manifesto it would seem that they have learned from the SDLP & SF andfound some.
    Originally posted by eamon
    Are the dup backing a united ireland or something?
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
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