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    blackwidow22
    Housing association refused my application to run a business from home??
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    • 18th Nov 12, 9:56 PM
    Housing association refused my application to run a business from home?? 18th Nov 12 at 9:56 PM
    Hi

    i want to run my own Cake Business from home and have the space to do so but after asking the Housing association if i could to this, it was a flat no!
    they said please read your tenancy agreement as it states no business's to be run from the property..and that was that!
    i am so upset as i have always dreamed of having my own business and it is not like my little venture would interfere with anyone one at all, especially my neighbours.
    how and where can i now run my little venture, i certainly can not afford a shop and my business would only be a tiny one,no staff just me....
    is there anyway i can get round this issue with the housing association?
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    • Fire Fox
    • By Fire Fox 19th Nov 12, 7:23 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:23 AM
    Unfortunately not, you would need to move into private rented accommodation with a landlord that permits you to run a business. Your business could interfere with others as you would need to receive supplies and make deliveries, have meetings with customers and inspectors on site, you could need to take on staff down the line, all this increases traffic. Also it has to be the same rules for everyone.
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    • By cr1mson 19th Nov 12, 7:39 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:39 AM
    Also what would happen with regard to any amendments that need to be made to the property in particular the kitchen for you to legally be able to sell food products? Having had a friend who set up a cookery business from home I know how (quite rightly) onerous they can be.
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    • By Norman Castle 19th Nov 12, 7:41 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:41 AM
    If your business is inconspicuous its unlikely they will know. I expect the rule exists to prevent homes being turned into mini factories and to avoid properties intended as housing being misused.
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:42 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:42 AM
    It might be unlikely the HA will know but the neighbours will and the OP runs the risk of some spiteful neighbour with a grudge informing the HA, if they do go ahead and start the business.
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    • By robin banks 19th Nov 12, 7:46 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:46 AM
    Tbh, it seems fairly standard practice not to allow a business being run from home.
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    • vivatifosi
    • By vivatifosi 19th Nov 12, 7:49 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 7:49 AM
    Unfortunately not, you would need to move into private rented accommodation with a landlord that permits you to run a business. Your business could interfere with others as you would need to receive supplies and make deliveries, have meetings with customers and inspectors on site, you could need to take on staff down the line, all this increases traffic. Also it has to be the same rules for everyone.
    Originally posted by Fire Fox
    I'd add to this that you will need to stipulate the type of business. For example, many properties have restrictive covenants that restrict the running of business from home except for certain categories. The allowed categories tend to be administrative - so for example there would be no additional traffic, noise or smells from the property. In the event that a landlord allows you to do this, he/she may not be aware of the covenants so there is still a chance that the resident's company would clamp down, so there are a lot of bases to cover in terms of working from home.

    It may still be worth reading the lease where you are. It may give you the scope to do all of the admin work relating to your company from home, even if you have to go elsewhere for the baking.
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    • 19th Nov 12, 8:32 AM
    Also running a cooking business would entail changes to the buildings insurance, there has to be an increased fire risk.
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    • 19th Nov 12, 9:27 AM
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    • 19th Nov 12, 9:27 AM
    Hi

    i want to run my own Cake Business from home and have the space to do so but after asking the Housing association if i could to this, it was a flat no!
    they said please read your tenancy agreement as it states no business's to be run from the property..and that was that!
    i am so upset as i have always dreamed of having my own business and it is not like my little venture would interfere with anyone one at all, especially my neighbours.
    how and where can i now run my little venture, i certainly can not afford a shop and my business would only be a tiny one,no staff just me....
    is there anyway i can get round this issue with the housing association?
    Originally posted by blackwidow22
    Find a suitable business premises to run your new business from

    Good luck in your new business venture!
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    Hi

    i want to run my own Cake Business from home and have the space to do so but after asking the Housing association if i could to this, it was a flat no!
    they said please read your tenancy agreement as it states no business's to be run from the property..and that was that!
    i am so upset as i have always dreamed of having my own business and it is not like my little venture would interfere with anyone one at all, especially my neighbours.
    how and where can i now run my little venture, i certainly can not afford a shop and my business would only be a tiny one,no staff just me....
    is there anyway i can get round this issue with the housing association?
    Originally posted by blackwidow22
    Hi blackwidow22 - unfortunately we're not covering questions on running a business from home. We'd suggest contacting your local bureau for help in the areas that they can cover.

    There's also the Federation of Small Businesses - and they run a helpline as well as having a website with all sorts of information and resources.

    You may also be interested in this Government Home Business Guide (produced by the Dept for Business, Innovation & Skills).
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    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 19th Nov 12, 1:01 PM
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    This goes to show you can't make your cake and sell it.....
    Last edited by maninthestreet; 19-11-2012 at 1:12 PM.
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  • blackwidow22
    thank you
    Thank you for all your reply's and advice, i have already taken on board all the factors, registering,health and safety,health inspectors etc and spoken to the relevant professionals and they all seem to say its a shame your housing dept wont agree as i certainly would not take on staff,it would just be me but hey like one reply said, there are spiteful, jealous neighbours etc so thats my dream over.

    I really can't afford to have a shop so back to the drawing board for me but once again thank you for all your advice.
    Trying to better yourself just doesn't seem to work
    Last edited by blackwidow22; 19-11-2012 at 2:47 PM.
    • InsideInsurance
    • By InsideInsurance 19th Nov 12, 3:03 PM
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    A friend had a similar issue, though with a private landlord rather than HA.

    She found a local pub that used to serve food and had scaled back to just special events and Sundays and basically hired their kitchen from them during the week. I am not close to how much she actually paid them but she always claimed it was little more than providing them a few gateaux/ cakes to sell as puddings on Sunday.

    Don't immediately roll over on your dream just because the first idea had a few issues
    • squinty
    • By squinty 20th Nov 12, 6:29 AM
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    OP you may want to remind your landlord that thier professional organisation, the Chartered Institute of Houisng has issued guidance that generally supports people working from home.

    You can see the guidance, and perhaps send them a copy, at

    http://www.cih.org/publication-free/display/vpathDCR//templatedata/cih/publication-free/data/Running_a_business_from_home
  • Wywth
    OP you may want to remind your landlord that thier professional organisation, the Chartered Institute of Houisng has issued guidance that generally supports people working from home.

    You can see the guidance, and perhaps send them a copy, at

    http://www.cih.org/publication-free/display/vpathDCR//templatedata/cih/publication-free/data/Running_a_business_from_home
    Originally posted by squinty
    There's a big difference between 'working from home' and 'running a business from the property'

    e.g. "there would rarely be a good reason to prevent a tenant from using their home as an office for an Internet or phone based business"

    but the tenancy agreement "states no business's to be run from the property."

    While it is important to support and encourage tenants to run a business from home, there may be occasions when either permission if required is not sought or granted, or when the business activity breaches tenancy conditions. You must have a clear and documented procedure for dealing with these circumstances.

    It is important to take appropriate action as soon as you know about a tenant running an unsuitable or unauthorised business from home.
    Last edited by Wywth; 20-11-2012 at 8:31 AM.
    • PlutoinCapricorn
    • By PlutoinCapricorn 20th Nov 12, 8:30 AM
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    Running a business from home
    Working online and not doing anything that you would not do anyway as a resident is one thing - I do this myself - but actually storing stock, accepting deliveries etc. is something else.

    There are no health & safety issues or inconvenience to neighbours if the freelance home work just consists of online research and producing documents, but there certainly may be if large scale cooking is involved.
    Last edited by PlutoinCapricorn; 20-11-2012 at 8:35 AM.
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